I think Ovechkin should get the Hart, do you?

[RyZ]

Ovechin is an elite PP specialist. He is nowhere near one of the best "overall" forwards in the game. This isnt even a list of all the players that are better than Ovechkin when not on the PP, just a small sampling of big name players. And he isn't even in Crosby and Toews ballpark, this year or any other.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by RyZ

Ovechin is an elite PP specialist. He is nowhere near one of the best "overall" forwards in the game. This isnt even a list of all the players that are better than Ovechkin when not on the PP, just a small sampling of big name players. And he isn't even in Crosby and Toews ballpark, this year or any other.

No where near eh?

I'm sure history will judge otherwise. Just like they don't judge Gretz on his defensive prowess.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

No where near eh?

I'm sure history will judge otherwise. Just like they don't judge Gretz on his defensive prowess.

Yes. Nowhere near (when not on the PP).

[CroFlames]

So you think in 20 years time people will just brush Ovechkin off as an 'average' forward?

No where near when of the best forwards in his time? Gimme a break man.

[CroFlames]

Ovechkin Hating is so 2010: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/3...n-hating-2010/

From Friedman:

I began to look for saves on Ovechkin, shots to see if there were a ton against this move, and there really weren’t. Some of that is probably because Adam Oates sent him to the right side. This suggests two things: Ovechkin proved he can score without his pet attempt and maybe, just maybe, he’s bringing it back. If he can combine that with everything else he’s doing (17 goals from going to the net at even-strength, 12 immediately from won face-offs), the only person who can stop him is himself.



He’s not getting the credit he deserves for being the greatest goal-scorer of his generation, but that’s what happens when playoff and Olympic success is, as yet, unattained. But you can see he’s willing to adapt.
Those criticisms from 2010?
They’re as outdated as another fad from five years ago — Silly Bandz.

[CroFlames]

I saw this pretty official looking graph today:

[calculoso]

Are we arguing whether he should win the Hart, should go in the Hall, or is a "Very good forward"?