Canadian Muslim group raided, funneled money to Hamas

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Here are some data that you can accept, refute, or ignore:



Why are non-muslims so violent?! Why are muslims so peaceful?! I mean, we all saw Breivik right?! Isn't that reason enough for you to call out Christians?

I think sweeping assertions such as "large proportions of a population base... being okay with violence" are demonstrably weak. But I also think we're discussing something that is happening in a blind spot. The last word is yours.

What is considered murder in a Muslim country? I would think that stoning people for crime doesn't count but I can't imagine living in a world where getting raped will also get you stoned to death for dishonouring your family.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by FireFly

What is considered murder in a Muslim country? I would think that stoning people for crime doesn't count but I can't imagine living in a world where getting raped will also get you stoned to death for dishonouring your family.

What on earth does this have to do with anything?

This isn't an issue with islam, it's an issue with backwater hell holes ruled by despots.

Edit: And cultural remnants from bygone eras. Like the Caste system.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by FireFly

What is considered murder in a Muslim country? I would think that stoning people for crime doesn't count but I can't imagine living in a world where getting raped will also get you stoned to death for dishonouring your family.

I would think it would depend from country to country. Some countries if a girl is raped her family decideds what the punishment is for the rapist and can even kill him themselves if they wish.

I don't think the victim would be stoned to death by the state but it could be more of an honor killing situation where the family feels they have had dishonor brought to their family name (stupid) so they kill their daughter.

It all stems from ignorance IMO. Honor killings can happen in any religeon and are more of a cultural issue than religeous.

[northcrunk]

It's good to remember that the RCMP and CSIS do not discriminate but they do watch financial transactions to banned groups and high risk countrys very well.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

What on earth does this have to do with anything?

This isn't an issue with islam, it's an issue with backwater hell holes ruled by despots.

Edit: And cultural remnants from bygone eras. Like the Caste system.

Well the OP I quoted was using murder rates to prove Muslims are not violent. I was suggesting that there are other things they do that are probably not considered murder but are still violent.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Well the OP I quoted was using murder rates to prove Muslims are not violent. I was suggesting that there are other things they do that are probably not considered murder but are still violent.

Also not every murder is reported. It's pretty easy to bribe police in some places.

[Thor]

Are Muslim nations more violent than their 2nd and 3rd world nation Christian dominated societies?

Also the vast majority of deaths by Islamist terror attacks are Muslims.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Well the OP I quoted was using murder rates to prove Muslims are not violent. I was suggesting that there are other things they do that are probably not considered murder but are still violent.

The statistics are likely suspect in their specificity, but across the broad stroke that is 'muslim countries', they all point towards the same conclusion.

There would have to be a massive, massive amount of honour killings going unreported to change the statistics.

To bring the muslim nations up to par, there would have to be honour killings at a rate of 4 times the average for reported total murders.

Honour killings are obviously under reported due to their nature, but, it would likely be impossible to mis or under report that degree of violent crime.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Thor

Are Muslim nations more violent than their 2nd and 3rd world nation Christian dominated societies?

Also the vast majority of deaths by Islamist terror attacks are Muslims.

Apparently, El Salvador has the highest murder rate against women in the world, according to immigrant el salvadoran women I know.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Thor

Are Muslim nations more violent than their 2nd and 3rd world nation Christian dominated societies?

Also the vast majority of deaths by Islamist terror attacks are Muslims.

For the second question, if we're discussing violence in culture, does it matter who the violence is against? A beheaded Muslim is still a murder

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by FireFly

What is considered murder in a Muslim country? I would think that stoning people for crime doesn't count but I can't imagine living in a world where getting raped will also get you stoned to death for dishonouring your family.

There were 2 points to my posting of those stats.

1) To show people that this general "muslims are so violent" theme isn't based on hard facts.

2) To show that people cling to narratives and their reflexes will be to try and undermine unfavourable data sources while uncritically accepting favourable ones.

As Flash noted, wondering if stonings were being properly counted underlies a general misunderstanding about the magnitude of these numbers... and a general bias to accept that certain forms of fringe behaviour is representative of a larger community.

[Rerun]

And the hate and violence continues...

Pakistan Shia mosque bombing kills dozens
Friday 30 January 2015 17.38 GMT

A Pakistani group that has affiliated itself to Islamic State (Isis) has killed more than 60 people in a bombing of a Shia mosque, one of the deadliest sectarian atrocities in years.
The explosive device ripped through a Shia imambargah, or prayer hall, in the southern Pakistani city of Shikarpur during the weekly Friday prayers when the building was packed with around 400 worshippers.

Fahad Marwat, a spokesman for a militant Sunni group called Jundullah, told Reuters they had targeted the building because the Shias “are our enemies”.

Jundullah has been linked to a number of major attacks including the suicide bombing of a church in the city of Peshawar in 2013 that killed around 80 Christians.

Many of them share aims and ideas, including a hatred of Pakistan’s Shia minority, whom they consider heretics and worthy of death.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ur-shia-mosque

[_Q_]

This broad assumption that all "Muslim" countries are like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia is as sad and as ignorant as the assumption that all Muslims are violent.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by _Q_

This broad assumption that all "Muslim" countries are like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia is as sad and as ignorant as the assumption that all Muslims are violent.

Originally Posted by Rerun

And the hate and violence continues...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ur-shia-mosque

A good example. Labelling violence by a notorious extremist group as proof that Muslims in general are hateful and violent.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by _Q_

This broad assumption that all "Muslim" countries are like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia is as sad and as ignorant as the assumption that all Muslims are violent.

I think some people treat "muslims" like it's a race of violent people, clearly it's not and is just another stupid religion that should be eradicated off the face of the earth.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

A good example. Labelling violence by a notorious extremist group as proof that Muslims in general are hateful and violent.

Clearly there are parts of the world that are more violent than others. Why is that?

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by _Q_

This broad assumption that all "Muslim" countries are like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia is as sad and as ignorant as the assumption that all Muslims are violent.

You left out a few countries such Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Lebanon, Yemen, Lybia, and Egypt.
All countries where Islam is the predominant faith and Muslim is the predominant ethnic group... and all countries that I would avoid visiting because extreme violence seems to be deemed acceptable when conflict arises between groups.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Egypt

Coincidence?

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Rerun

You left out a few countries such Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Lebanon, Yemen, Lybia, and Egypt.
All countries where Islam is the predominant faith and Muslim is the predominant ethnic group... and all countries that I would avoid visiting because extreme violence seems to be deemed acceptable when conflict arises between groups.

Coincidence?

And the ignorance keeps flowing in this thread. Muslim as an ethnic group? Haha that's hilarious.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by _Q_

And the ignorance keeps flowing in this thread. Muslim as an ethnic group? Haha that's hilarious.

One could argue that Muslims are an ethnic group as much as those that state that Jews are an ethnic group.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Rerun

One could argue that Muslims are an ethnic group as much as those that state that Jews are an ethnic group.

No you seriously can't (and the jews as an ethnic group is another point of contention, but that's for another thread).

Even "Arabs" can't all be called one ethnic group honestly. But again it's straight up ignorance to think that "all those brown people from that part of the world are the same."

Malays, Indonesians, Pakistanis, Somalis, Iraqis, Kurds, Persians, Moroccans, Saudis, Turks, Bosnians and English converts of Islam are definitely all not one ethnic group.