Long time Avs beat writer Adrian Dater fired

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Try reading the entire thread. It's not Flameswin.

Sorry I was reading the thread page by page until rubecube sidetracked it. So FlamesWin is getting FlamesWin'd by someone else for once. Nice.

[nfotiu]

I don't use twitter enough to understand. But was that a public tweeting conversation, or a private one that only they could see?

[Geeoff]

I think it's natural for a heterosexual male to be aroused by the female form. That being said, using your work twitter to sexually harass a student, can only be described as really ####ing dumb. Where I work, we are only allowed to use our work email for work related things. We can get suspended just for sending jokes.

[Kolbe31]

Based on the evidence she's posted, I don't really know if harassment is the right card to play. Unless I missed it, did she ever post what her response was to his 'nudes request'? Isn't it only harassment if she says 'no' or 'stop', and he doesn't? That would be my definition of harassment, but maybe I'm ignorant.

I get that she wants to just have a conversation about hockey and not have it turn sexual, but is it totally inconceivable that he maybe likes her? Can a guy not flirt with a girl? Perhaps he misread the situation, assumed it was heading in a different direction and was wrong. What guy hasn't misread a relationship before. And it seems clear they had a relationship, with messages over several months.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Kolbe31

Based on the evidence she's posted, I don't really know if harassment is the right card to play. Unless I missed it, did she ever post what her response was to his 'nudes request'? Isn't it only harassment if she says 'no' or 'stop', and he doesn't? That would be my definition of harassment, but maybe I'm ignorant.

I get that she wants to just have a conversation about hockey and not have it turn sexual, but is it totally inconceivable that he maybe likes her? Can a guy not flirt with a girl? Perhaps he misread the situation, assumed it was heading in a different direction and was wrong. What guy hasn't misread a relationship before. And it seems clear they had a relationship, with messages over several months.

I tend to agree. I've recently gone to a few courses on employment law, sexual harrasssment, and EEO. There were some case studies with similar exchanges between employees, and from what I understood, they wouldn't be sexual harassment.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I think it's natural for a heterosexual male to be aroused by the female form. That being said, using your work twitter to sexually harass a student, can only be described as really ####ing dumb. Where I work, we are only allowed to use our work email for work related things. We can get suspended just for sending jokes.

yup.

recently at work one of the lawyers asked one of my young accountants out through work email and then kept sending her more inappropriate messages. It was reported to me and HR until it finally stopped.

[troutman]

The medium is the message. - Marshall McLuhan (1964)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message

The social media is the message. - troutman (2014)

An articling student in Alberta was recently required to resign by the Law Society, because he took pictures of a co-worker at a party and then posted them on social media.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by troutman

The medium is the message. - Marshall McLuhan (1964)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message

The social media is the message. - troutman (2014)

An articling student in Alberta was recently required to resign by the Law Society, because he took pictures of a co-worker at a party and then posted them on social media.

Was the conversation in the OP private or on twitter for everyone to see. If it is the latter, then I get it, but if it was private, it's not really a social media issue.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by troutman

The medium is the message. - Marshall McLuhan (1964)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message

The social media is the message. - troutman (2014)

An articling student in Alberta was recently required to resign by the Law Society, because he took pictures of a co-worker at a party and then posted them on social media.

This stupidity happened a couple years ago, I gather. He'd already been let go by his firm and had been working somewhere in Cali as a lawyer (guess they don't care) by the time the forced Law Socoiety resignation happened. It does mean that he has mega hoops to jump through if he ever wants to return.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Was the conversation in the OP private or on twitter for everyone to see. If it is the latter, then I get it, but if it was private, it's not really a social media issue.

*Nothing* on the internet is private. Anyone foolish enough to think otherwise is asking for trouble.

[Erick Estrada]

What's the girl's motives here? I don't see any evidence to him badgering her to meet or asking for nudes, etc. Just a single comment in bad taste. It's very obvious this girl is seeking attention but at what cost? A man losing his livelihood? Maybe this is a good thing for Dater as he is now forced to face his demons head on. As for her maybe if she finds a man commenting on her breast distasteful she shouldn't be using them as a means to solicit such attention? If I had a 10 inch penis and didn't want females commenting on it or focusing on it I certainly wouldn't wear skin tight pants that flaunt my 3rd leg. Because if I did I know full well it would gain unwanted attention.

[Drury18]

As I posted before, it looks like Dater had a long history of troubles while on social media. This wasn't the first and only incident to get him fired. I think the Denver Post had enough of him. There's prior incidents of him going on rants using non-professional language while under the Post's name, arguing with fans in a way that looks poorly on the Post and just generally not understanding how to conduct himself on social media.

The guy and social media just don't work.

http://fansided.com/2014/12/04/denve...media-conduct/

I didn't realize though that another person stepped forward earlier this week with similar accusations against another media member and had them fired.

The woman in question admitted that she only came forward with these exchanges following a similar situation that occurred just a few days prior, which also resulted in a member of the media being terminated for inappropriate communications through social media.

[sureLoss]

Yeah i posted his previous problems with social media in the OP when I created the thread.

He was suspended previously for his conduct on social media. This stuff with the girl was the final straw for the Denver Post

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So FlamesWin is getting FlamesWin'd by someone else for once. Nice.

What does that even mean?

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Yeah i posted his previous problems with social media in the OP when I created the thread.

He was suspended previously for his conduct on social media. This stuff with the girl was the final straw for the Denver Post

Probably, as well as there was a previous incident this week with another hockey blogger. Reading through these messages, there is very little question this guy was preying on women. Far more then just asking for nudes, this is quite creepy.

http://deadspin.com/hockey-blogger-f...men-1665117935

[Scoutski]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The one thing that people are (choosing to?) overlook is the fact that social media impropriety is not new to Dater. He was suspended for two weeks in October for a Twitter meltdown, he has been forced by the paper in the past to alter blog entries due to content, and god only knows how many times they spoke with him internally.

I find it ironic that people who thought she was a media member were criticizing her for apparently failing to act as a professional given their arguments essentially acted as a defence of a guy who most certainly failed to act as a professional on many occasions.

Who defended Dater's actions? Doesn't really look like anyone supported what he did even a little bit, the guy was clearly a dick.

Criticizing her photo =/= It's okay for men to send inappropriate comments. It was just said that whether she liked it or not, she was going to get unwanted attention. THAT DOESN'T MAKE THAT ATTENTION OKAY EITHER, but pretending it won't happen is just denial of what happens on the internet.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

What does that even mean?

The guy has trolled some of us here for years so it's funny to see someone turn the tables on him.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by Kolbe31

Based on the evidence she's posted, I don't really know if harassment is the right card to play. Unless I missed it, did she ever post what her response was to his 'nudes request'? Isn't it only harassment if she says 'no' or 'stop', and he doesn't? That would be my definition of harassment, but maybe I'm ignorant.

I get that she wants to just have a conversation about hockey and not have it turn sexual, but is it totally inconceivable that he maybe likes her? Can a guy not flirt with a girl? Perhaps he misread the situation, assumed it was heading in a different direction and was wrong. What guy hasn't misread a relationship before. And it seems clear they had a relationship, with messages over several months.

She kind of answered that with a few posts before and after the screenshots. She posted a caveat before the screen shots saying this:

Maria Camacho @Mariia19 · Dec 1 I'm gonna to speak out about someone. I'm not gonna accuse them, I'm just going to post the screenshots and you can make your own judgement

Then after someone asked her that question, did you think maybe he just liked you and was flirting online, and her answer to that was:

Maria Camacho ‏@Mariia19 Dec 1 @haynesmas I didn't do it before because I thought that, but he had other incidents on Twitter that make me think otherwise

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The one thing that people are (choosing to?) overlook is the fact that social media impropriety is not new to Dater. He was suspended for two weeks in October for a Twitter meltdown, he has been forced by the paper in the past to alter blog entries due to content, and god only knows how many times they spoke with him internally.

I find it ironic that people who thought she was a media member were criticizing her for apparently failing to act as a professional given their arguments essentially acted as a defence of a guy who most certainly failed to act as a professional on many occasions.

I don't think people are defending him for the most part. A lot of the comments I'm reading here are agreeing he was unprofessional and even wrong. People are just saying the fault isn't all one way, and there is enough unprofessionalism to go around in this particular story.

And yeah, he does have a bad history, so yeah, he deserved to get canned and perhaps pointed out publicly. He did it to himself. But again, I wasn't arguing against that part of it, and a lot of people aren't.

I guess one of my biggest thoughts about this particular issue is that in a year where there have been some truly horrible and important women's rights issues to talk about, this amounts to a sort of internet pissing match and is getting blown out of proportion. And I guess that's what some of the people are saying about Dater. Yeah he's a tool, yeah he probably deserved to get fired especially given his past actions. But are we blowing this out of proportion a little? Probably.

I guess you can argue it two ways and that's what makes the situation tough. One side will argue that behaviour like this is part of the problem and proof of systemic sexism. Others will argue that issues like this are closer just to life in general, and while they suck and are wrong, distract from the bigger issues of sexism and women's rights. While I see both sides, on this particular case I would probably come closer to siding with the latter.

[RedMileDJ]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Sorry I was reading the thread page by page until rubecube sidetracked it. So FlamesWin is getting FlamesWin'd by someone else for once. Nice.

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

What does that even mean?

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The guy has trolled some of us here for years so it's funny to see someone turn the tables on him.

You mean harassed? The troll clearly has an issue with Flameswin. It's a little different when it's on CP. This dude took it to Twitter using his avatar and name.

However, I do see that the account has been suspended. That's good.

But, as I told Flameswin, he does have another account using his name and avatar: @TLTecky

The dude (the troll) is a loser. As I posted before, he has a long history of making accounts and trolling (harassing) CP members.

...Jesus...did I just defend Flameswin?