Devin Setoguchi

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Morrison was supposed to be a piece that got the Flames into the playoffs. His low salary was very important as the Flames were right against the cap and had no prospects close to playing at the NHL level.

I would totally understand that if the Flames had a solid top-9 that was playoff bound and Steoguchi was brought in as cheap injury insurance.


If you can't see that Tanguay was a negative for the Flames , a small talented guy who was pouting half the time because he wasn't being used properly in his mind who basically quit on the Flames when Iginla got traded.

There was no way he could have remained on the Flames after he quit and was going to get paid the rest of the 11M the Flames still owed him.

What point are you trying to make about Morrison? You say he was a bad reclamation project.... because the Flames didn't make the playoffs? Am I following your logic here? I think you might be the only person on this forum to say Morrison was a failure of a reclamation project, and I really didn't want him signed in the first place. I ate crow on that one. To prove your point by showing that the Flames didn't make the playoffs? Heck, I will just counter with the equally absurd and unrelated argument that if the Flames had 2 more Brendan Morrison signings who did exactly what BMO did, Flames would make the playoffs.

Setoguchi was brought in this year for the same reasons as if the Flames were playoff bound - depth. Backlund, Jones and Setoguchi himself have already sustained injuries. Your kids will get their time in the NHL, as there are always injuries. Let's just say there isn't. Let's just say that this team plays 100% healthy for the entire season (and do you have any idea of what those odds would be?), and the Flames make ZERO trades. Do you honestly think that any of the kid's development is going to be hurt by stewing for another season in the AHL? You know, it is a development league. I see, your argument (from a prior post) was that these kids would be passed by the next crop in the upcoming draft classes. Well, they would be passed while they were on the Flames, no? How about the Flames just keep stewing their prospects until the most NHL ready prospects show up in the NHL? NHL is not a development league - the AHL is.

Now Tanguay. I see you said: "If....", but I don't see a "then" or a "then - else" to finish the statement. I hope I am understanding your point well enough (as you really didn't make one).

If you are going to argue that Tanguay is a negative reclamation project because Feaster chose to re-sign Tanguay with term, and then Tanguay sulked and forced Feaster's hand into a trade involving negative-value contracts THEN I don't know how to even begin forming a rebuttal. Let me try my best, however.

With the above logic...

Iginla was the most terrible player ever for Calgary. He encouraged Feaster to sign Tanguay in the off-season. Iginla also forced the Flames do delay their rebuild as the Flames were trying to win with him. Heck, let's bring the BMO argument and say that the Flames missed the playoffs more years than they made with Iginla, so Iginla must suck. Am I doing this right? Wait.. that is not quite right. Let me add that Nieuwendyk was horrible because his trade brought Iginla to Calgary in the first place.

Do you start to see how absurd your argument is? You keep moving goalposts to prove an argument.

BMO was a CHEAP reclamation signing who exceeded expectations and did very well, offering the Flames some flexibility both in cap space and in line combinations.

Tanguay came in at a 1.7 million reclamation contract and scored 69 points. Show me any players in the NHL that got more points that season at that same contract that were NOT in their ELC's. That was a very successful reclamation contract. Period.

Now you can make a NEW argument that Feaster made a mistake in re-signing him rather than trading him at the deadline on his reclamation contract year. I would probably even agree with you. Just don't go changing the goalposts back and forth in trying to prove any points.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Bertuzzi and Nolan were pretty good here.

Also Amonte and Nolan were grizzled vets playing out their career, not reclamation projects.

You know who recent reclamation projects have been? Kris Russell and Karri Ramo

And Colborne.

[cannon7]

I like Setoguchi about six times more than Jones Jones' contract is criminal for how terrible he is...

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by cannon7

I like Setoguchi about six times more than Jones Jones' contract is criminal for how terrible he is...

He's the highest paid forward on the team, unreal.

[Volica]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

He's the highest paid forward on the team, unreal.

That was a pretty bad trade to begin with. Now knowing we bought out SOB, and Tangs will be playing on the top line in Colorado... It just makes it so much worse.

Feaster did some okay things at the draft (good late round picks, one horrid pick in 2012) but man was he unable to trade worth a damn.


MOD EDIT: No insults, please.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Volica

That was a pretty bad trade to begin with. Now knowing we bought out SOB, and Tangs will be playing on the top line in Colorado... It just makes it so much worse.

Feaster did some okay things at the draft (good late round picks, one horrid pick in 2012) but man was that fat idiot unable to trade worth a damn.

It really was a terrible trade. We traded for a more expensive and less productive player (injuries aside of course), with more term on his contract. Adding dead weight like Shane O'Brien was just insult to injury.

Tanguay likely had to go, but I refuse to believe that he had that much negative value.

[FBI]

"fat idiot"
WTF man.. Learn some class.

Originally Posted by Volica

That was a pretty bad trade to begin with. Now knowing we bought out SOB, and Tangs will be playing on the top line in Colorado... It just makes it so much worse.

Feaster did some okay things at the draft (good late round picks, one horrid pick in 2012) but man was that fat idiot unable to trade worth a damn.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Am I following your logic here?

LOL

Try following this instead.

[Volica]

Originally Posted by FBI

"fat idiot"
WTF man.. Learn some class.

Learn class because I insulted the GM that couldn't maximize assets and couldn't do his job worth a damn.

I'd rather be classless.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Volica

Learn class because I insulted the GM that couldn't maximize assets and couldn't do his job worth a damn.

I'd rather be classless.

Learn some class because the GMs weight is irrelevant to the point you are trying to make and bringing it up makes you look like a moron who can't formulate an argument so you stooped to the lowest common denominator.

Take the feedback and better yourself.

[Volica]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Learn some class because the GMs weight is irrelevant to the point you are trying to make and bringing it up makes you look like a moron who can't formulate an argument so you stooped to the lowest common denominator.

Take the feedback and better yourself.

Except I already formulated the opinion and the argument that the man couldn't trade for the life of him; and the dig was a side note clearly away from the main text and more or less frustration boiling over?

I mean, clearly I don't want to dig at someone already on this forum, but using the term moron is clearly a personal attack, and I will bite my tongue. I could could point out the need of reading comprehension, or the need to attack another poster, but I wont.

[Kool Keef]

Originally Posted by Volica

Except I already formulated the opinion and the argument that the man couldn't trade for the life of him; and the dig was a side note clearly away from the main text and more or less frustration boiling over?

What are you frustrated about? It's old news, nothing bad happened, and Feaster was eventually fired. Let it go already.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Volica

Except I already formulated the opinion and the argument that the man couldn't trade for the life of him; and the dig was a side note clearly away from the main text and more or less frustration boiling over?

I mean, clearly I don't want to dig at someone already on this forum, but using the term moron is clearly a personal attack, and I will bite my tongue. I could could point out the need of reading comprehension, or the need to attack another poster, but I wont.

Could we settle for you getting some class?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Volica

Learn class because I insulted the GM that couldn't maximize assets and couldn't do his job worth a damn.

I'd rather be classless.

You're doing it right!

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Volica

That was a pretty bad trade to begin with. Now knowing we bought out SOB, and Tangs will be playing on the top line in Colorado... It just makes it so much worse.

Feaster did some okay things at the draft (good late round picks, one horrid pick in 2012) but man was that fat idiot unable to trade worth a damn.

Something like "knucklehead" would work ok here.

Kinda has a less offensive bugs bunny esque flow to it

[Wolfman]

I think we have to let Setoguchi play a couple meaningful games before it is deemed a bad contract. Minimal risk IMO.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Volica

Learn class because I insulted the GM that couldn't maximize assets and couldn't do his job worth a damn.

I'd rather be classless.

Drink!

[FlameZilla]

It's looking like Setoguchi is going to be this year's Galiardi. If he's crap he sits in the pressbox. No bigs. If he gets sent down to Addy I doubt he gets claimed. No bigs. If he plays he might snipe the odd goal, or even rejuvenate his career enough to be worth a new contract or even a pick at the deadline. No risk at all.

[bluck]

Great Discussion on the fan right now about Setoguchi

Boomer "Is he grouped in the prospect group with Ferland, Sven, Guadreau? If he is, is he going to not make this team due to them outplaying him?"

Warrener - "He goes down if the other kids outplay him"

Boomer and Warrener - He hasn't done anything so far, looks pretty pathetic in the pre season games

Both think he gets a chance to start but it will be on a short leash.

Warrener "Unless the kids light it up in the next 2 games, then he will get a shot, if the kids light it up he gets sent down"

"Get's a chance because he plays RW and RW shot" "His 20 goal days are probably done"

[Enoch Root]

That is only half of their conversation.

They all agreed that if Setoguchi does get going, he is a free asset (with no risk).

They all agreed that he deserves a shot with regular season games - give him October and November and see if he can get it going.

If not, no problem - move him out and bring someone up.