CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[bizaro86]

Ok. Sorry about that everybody. I am home now and will offer up a more thorough post as an apology. It will take the form of a list of reasons not to vote me out on day 1.

1) For activity, take a look at the last game. I was a pretty active poster for the entire time I was in the game.

2) The way the vote against me piled on. It seems likely that some of the pile-on folks are mafia. There is no logical reason to vote for me after enough votes have happened to "force" me to become active and explain myself. Everything after that is just a pile on, which is a great way to hammer a townie early in the game. If I was a mafioso, there would likely have been a few other mafia trying to divert attention.

3) Mazrim indicated this was a role heavy game. That makes it especially important to give people time before a lynching to reveal a potential role/other info. I'm not ready to comment on my role/lack of role just yet.

In case I do get lynched tonight, I have the following additional comment:
-Starseed was (in my opinion) easily the strongest player from the last game. Even though he's the one who started the voting for me, I think listening to him is probably a good idea initially. If he proves consistently uninformed, that would be inconsistent with how smart he demonstrated himself to be last game, and he should be considered a suspect.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Well let's talk about the Squiggs thing because I still think it's odd. You're reasoning to vote him was he hasn't revealed who he is. I think it's odd as well. 17 posters had revealed who they were when he made his post. He acknowledges that everyone was revealing who they are...and didn't do so himself. Why didn't he reveal himself? It's an answer we haven't heard despite moving on from him. I'm still curious why he didn't just say he was pickachu in his first post.

At the time of my first post Mazrim had said revealing is not necessarily indicative of your role. Pika took this to mean it might (could) be and was seeing if there were any roles or patterns that were emerging. I was trying to be clever about my reveal over time, but that failed miserably.

The Chu also has about five theories on everything that has gone on. Hopefully I'm right on all. Guessing only one at a maximum will be right.

[starseed]

King Dedede is always uniformed.

[stazzy33]

I am watching when I can... but my girlfriend was in town this weekend (long distance, yay!). Plus two hockey games makes me not as vocal as desired. Don't worry though, I will have plenty of time at work this week to hunt down mafia scum!

Speaking of which, I caught a couple chickens today while I was out riding Epona, anyone want some wings?

[East Coast Flame]

I buy Bizaro and Squiggs explanations, but GGG, your posting has been all over the place and you aren't making a lot of sense to me. Your reason for voting Oling is bizzare. I don't know if your scum or not but I don't buy your explanations.

Vote: GGG

[Wood]

During the last game me and a few others in the chat thread tried to guess who the mafia members were. Me and a couple other guys guessed 0/10. The very best guess was formulate with 2/10 I believe. That was probably day 3 in the game

No matter what we decide to do right now it's a complete guess at best, so I'm not going to get too worked up over how we vote, and who it ends up being

Best thing we can do right now is just keep talking, how people react to being targeted is the only way we can get a read on anyone at this point

I'll unvote bizaro because it have no reason to target him over anyone else, I just piled on since day 1 is a crapshoot (I know, how scummy to pile on)

[Wood]

unvote

[GGG]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

I buy Bizaro and Squiggs explanations, but GGG, your posting has been all over the place and you aren't making a lot of sense to me. Your reason for voting Oling is bizzare. I don't know if your scum or not but I don't buy your explanations.

Vote: GGG

My reason for voting is as follows, please explain what doesn't make sense about it.

1) mafia players don't want to be seen as driving the lynch. As that can be traced back to them
2) mafia players don't want to be seen as piling on at the end. It looks like they only join the voting after a decision is made. (Buy saying this I am changing behaviours in this game though so maybe I should have set on this until day 3 or 4.)
Therefore mafia players want to vote in the middle of a run of votes.

Oling voted 3rd on Squiggs and 4th on Bizaro therefore of anyone out their he is the most likely to be mafia.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Wood

No matter what we decide to do right now it's a complete guess at best, so I'm not going to get too worked up over how we vote, and who it ends up being

Pretty much, yeah

[Kjesse]

I wasn't satisfied with squigg's response before and I still find it odd and not very "townie". He came after me because I posted more than I said I would... but doesn't make any effort to do a town or mafia kind of reasoning about it.

Its just something to watch IMHO. I was wrong on lots of things last game, so I'm not about to lead the charge against squiggs based on the little inoformation available in round 1. But my vote is going to stay there for now, its not like there's a train forming anyway.

There is some good discussion going on.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by GGG

If Bizaro is scum, the mafia in this game have played terribly. At least one of them should have came in here and voted for Baxter Renegade as the other inactive or started a vote based on a random number generator. Why would a mafia member wait until the band wagon is almost done to try to stop it. It doesn't make sense. The good news is if Bizaro is mafia we are in for a short game and a town victory.

The mafias behaviour so far in the Bizaro vote has been to go along with the crowd and blend in and let consensus lynch a townie. So why I am going against the group? I don't believe that I should ever vote for a person I believe is town.

I think there is one flaw in your reasoning. Wood told everyone to calm down and not vote after the 9th one. Therefore there was no threat of the hammer because the town was told to stop. It was in fact a reprieve for the mafia and they no longer needed to act recklessly because the voting stopped to spare Bizaro in the hope of him speaking up. Wood's vote, action and now unvote could all be a diversion. If we had hammered Bizaro right now, we may have lost a friend but the mafia wouldn't have been able to counter and be dealt a huge blow if he were indeed scum.

Don't be so sure that Bizaro isn't scum. The mafia could simply instruct Bizaro to show up after the votes assuming everyone will change their vote cause their reason for voting for him in the first place was based solely on inactivity. He did conveniently show up at the right time. Because of this, I'm keeping my vote on Bizaro for the time being.

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by GGG

My reason for voting is as follows, please explain what doesn't make sense about it.

1) mafia players don't want to be seen as driving the lynch. As that can be traced back to them
2) mafia players don't want to be seen as piling on at the end. It looks like they only join the voting after a decision is made. (Buy saying this I am changing behaviours in this game though so maybe I should have set on this until day 3 or 4.)
Therefore mafia players want to vote in the middle of a run of votes.

Oling voted 3rd on Squiggs and 4th on Bizaro therefore of anyone out their he is the most likely to be mafia.

Drurys post made sense to me. You've changed course a couple times and your post to vote for Oling actually made me stop and say "huh"? Everything up till then made sense to me, but your course change seemed strange and it was quite the reach. I mentioned I didn't trust a coin flip or whatever before, and your explanation to me sounded like you were trying to "randomly" land on Oling.

Like I said before, I don't know if your scum or not but you are trying way too hard and throwing way too much confusion out there for day one.

[Mazrim]

Vote Count:

With 22 alive, it takes 12 votes on any one player to hammer. It takes 8 votes to deadline lynch.

Hasn’t Voted (11): Wood, dissentowner, starseed, hmmhmmcamo, squiggs96, bizaro86, stazzy33, RatherDashing, Rathji, Timbo, Puxlut

Voted:
bizaro86 (7): mrkajz44, GP_Matt, Oling_Roachinen, Baxter Renegade, forumlate, devo22, GirlySports
GGG (2): Drury18, East Coast Flame
squiggs96 (1): Delgar
Oling_Roachinen (1): GGG


The deadline is Wednesday, October 1st at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

Side Note: Please don't include the name of the person you're unvoting when you type unvote. I can find who you voted for no problem, and it makes it easier for me to see between votes and unvotes when the name is missing from the latter.

[mrkajz44]

Unvote

Had plans for most of the day, but now that I've checked back in it seems things have gotten interesting.

I was very surprised to see the pile-on that occurred to bizarro. I threw out the second vote there mainly to try and give them a "kick in the pants" so to speak. After that the votes came pretty quick and the number rolled up to 9 with most votes giving little to no explanation at all. To me, that seems like a mafia pile-on as there was so little voting before that.

Therefore, I am taking my vote off bizarro - I voted mostly to hear from them, and now that they responded I feel like the reason was reasonable for being inactive.

I am back being suspicious of squiggs. They have added nearly nothing of value since chiming in after there was a few votes against them:

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I have been driving since 7am and just able to check into the internet now. I'm the lovable Pikachu. I'll be able to post more now. My pikachu powers will help smoke out the scum. If you are basing it on strictly not posting, I don't blame chu. Ready and willing to participate more now.

PIKACHU power!

Originally Posted by squiggs96

So in multiple other threads Delgar says he will not post much early on because he got voted out early in the first two games. He then has posted more than anyone, including the first post and then votes for me for not posting? Others have exactly one post. Come on dude.

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Pika appreciates the understanding for his absence. Thank chu.

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Pikachu is also one of the lightest characters in the game, making it easy for its foes to launch it. Despite this, top-level SSB players have placed Pikachu at the top of their list, theoretically making it the best character in the game.

My foes are already trying to launch me from the game. Don't launch the best character from the game.

Originally Posted by squiggs96

At the time of my first post Mazrim had said revealing is not necessarily indicative of your role. Pika took this to mean it might (could) be and was seeing if there were any roles or patterns that were emerging. I was trying to be clever about my reveal over time, but that failed miserably.

The Chu also has about five theories on everything that has gone on. Hopefully I'm right on all. Guessing only one at a maximum will be right.

For me, most of these posts were just driving up "post number" rather than adding actual value. And the moment the pressure was moved off squiggs the voting pile-on came. For that reason, I'm moving back to squiggs. I really don't think bizarro is mafia, their posts do seem authentic.

|Vote: squiggs96

[formulate]

A few thoughts before I pass out:

• I don't think (in)activity necessarily has any correlation with alignment. I didn't choose to vote for Bizaro because I thought his inactivity meant a greater chance of being mafia. Like GGG said, mafia will have been on each other to stay relatively active and out of the hot spot. Though at the same time, no townie wants to be first lynched, so everyone will have wanted to stay as active as possible.
• Also as GGG (and myself) has said, the weekend is tougher to gauge activity, especially when natural disasters occur . The next day or two should prove interesting.
• Day 1 is 5% logic and 95% paranoia. Any theories drawn up are likely a result of overthinking. I've still yet to see a good day 1 theory in three iterations of this game. For me, the important thing is to get some constructive discussion (which I believe we have) and get to day two where we will be more informed.
• I'm already confused. While I agree with much of the logic GGG has put forward, it hasn't been fully consistent. I'd like to hear more. For tonight my vote remains with Bizaro as we are in no danger of a lynch and I'd like to hear some of his strategy on how to proceed.

See you tomorrow.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

At the time of my first post Mazrim had said revealing is not necessarily indicative of your role. Pika took this to mean it might (could) be and was seeing if there were any roles or patterns that were emerging.

So you're saying it was a conscious decision not to reveal who you were as you believed that characters could still be indicative of our roles? If that's the case, why wouldn't you have voiced that opinion in your first post instead of talking about googling everyone else?

Following the logic I believe you are claiming, if you were town wouldn't your first thought be to express that concern before the doctor/cop revealed themselves with their character? Unless of course that's not what you were afraid characters would reveal...

I would like some further clarification on your thinking process of not revealing yourself.

[GP_Matt]

I am also going to let my vote stand for now.

I think the worst thing we can do on day one is lynch no one. We need a voting history to start looking for patterns going forward. We also have a chance to lynch a scum today. Not a good chance, but still a chance and if we let it pass by then overnight the scum will definitely lynch a townie and we will be in the same spot as day one with one fewer townie.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Delgar

I wasn't satisfied with squigg's response before and I still find it odd and not very "townie". He came after me because I posted more than I said I would... but doesn't make any effort to do a town or mafia kind of reasoning about it.

Its just something to watch IMHO. I was wrong on lots of things last game, so I'm not about to lead the charge against squiggs based on the little inoformation available in round 1. But my vote is going to stay there for now, its not like there's a train forming anyway.

There is some good discussion going on.

If I was coming after you I would have voted for you. Pika was just defending himself against unjust accusations. I just pointed out one inconsistency from you. The sad part for me is once I was connected no one was around to talk. If I was mafia I'm sure I would have had at least one person defend me outright.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

So you're saying it was a conscious decision not to reveal who you were as you believed that characters could still be indicative of our roles? If that's the case, why wouldn't you have voiced that opinion in your first post instead of talking about googling everyone else?

Following the logic I believe you are claiming, if you were town wouldn't your first thought be to express that concern before the doctor/cop revealed themselves with their character? Unless of course that's not what you were afraid characters would reveal...

I would like some further clarification on your thinking process of not revealing yourself.

I'm saying I believe each character has traits they must portray. If pika voiced these right away, then all of my thoughts (paranoia) would be out there to dissect. If I'm right I've revealed all cards with no real gain. If chu is wrong then I've needlessly put townies on a wild goose chase.

Being that this is a closed game I have no idea if there is a doctor, cop, other, or how many mafia there are are. Every person might have a power. Pika doesn't know yet.

My first post was true; I googled most people go see who they were and then read about them to see how they were connected to the game. I, pika, hoped to see a pattern. I've seen a few but not enough to give a full theory on it. The easy thing would have been for me to join the bizarro vote, hope it goes through and save myself. I was true that I was waiting to see if he posted. Short of requesting pictures demanding proof of his absence, chu believes bizarro's story.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I'm saying I believe each character has traits they must portray. If pika voiced these right away, then all of my thoughts (paranoia) would be out there to dissect. If I'm right I've revealed all cards with no real gain. If chu is wrong then I've needlessly put townies on a wild goose chase.

Being that this is a closed game I have no idea if there is a doctor, cop, other, or how many mafia there are are. Every person might have a power. Pika doesn't know yet.

My first post was true; I googled most people go see who they were and then read about them to see how they were connected to the game. I, pika, hoped to see a pattern. I've seen a few but not enough to give a full theory on it. The easy thing would have been for me to join the bizarro vote, hope it goes through and save myself. I was true that I was waiting to see if he posted. Short of requesting pictures demanding proof of his absence, chu believes bizarro's story.

The characters and abilities do not have anything to do with alignment. Mazrim has said they were both assigned by random number generators so any theories based on that are coincidental.