Smartphone Thunderdome (Samsung vs. Apple vs. Google etc.)

[Igster]

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[undercoverbrother]

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[RedMileDJ]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo, with huge fanfare Blackberry launched the Passport today.



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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle20718050/

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

WTF is that supposed to be?

I actually had the chance to handle and use the Passport, last week while at the MTS Show.

It's very square, as you can see. One of the cool features was that you don't have to put your fingers on the screen, to scroll. You can run your fingers over the keyboard, thus allowing you to see the whole screen...and preventing finger prints on your screen.

It has a great solid feel, and is quite thin for a BlackBerry. But again...it's quite square and wide.

[RedMileDJ]

Originally Posted by photon

Price is determined by the market, not by the specs. You can by a house that's way better than what you are living in now for far less in Detroit I bet.

(And purchase price is only one factor, I sold my original iPad 1 recently for quite a bit, bringing my TCO down.)

Not having access to Apple's or anyone else's books it's difficult to say what a company "should" be charging, Apple certainly puts more effort into some aspects of their devices compared to others which costs a lot of money. What does "should" mean anyway? That a company only be allowed to mark up their hardware by a certain amount?

Yes, and the market (Sony, Samsung, Google, HTC, etc) have all said the outright price of a smartphone should be between $350 and $700. But Apple goes over and above, up to $1000?

Originally Posted by photon

Your buddies make poor decisions therefore the price of the iPhone is bothersome?

I was more or less showing that drinking the kool-aid works for Apple.

Originally Posted by photon

Are you bothered by human nature maybe? Because people are what make these decisions.

What? Are you serious? No. I've said I'm bothered by a company that charges an exorbitant amount for it's technology, when it doesn't need to be that high.

I'll admit: yes, Apple makes a beautiful device. I've posted that before. Yes, the eco-system is awesome. It all works. It's simple. It all flows. Hell, my Dad is looking to get something to replace his BlackBerry Bold, and I'm close to suggesting the iPhone, because of how easy it'll be for him to migrate (physical keyboard to touch, ease of use, etc).

Originally Posted by photon

The price isn't exorbitant IMO.

Yes it is. That's what bothers me about it.

I was very close to getting an iPhone this time around. But when I read about the specs, price, etc I decided to stick with Android.

The idea of having a 5.5" Apple is very appealing. Look at all the Apple stores and different telco dealers out there: they're all sold out of the 6 Plus. Some Android people are switching. I just don't think the outright price is justified.

Contract pricing is ridiculous, as well.

[combustiblefuel]

I've been thinking of getting a new phone recently. I have 5 months left on a 3 year plan. I'm eligible for an upgrade.I'm with Virgin so my phone choice is limited.

I played around with the S5 , Nexus 5 and the xperia T3.

Sony makes a great phone . Unfortunately, tho the T3 is not really a better phone then what I already have.If I was to get a sony phone it would be the Z or ZL phablet.

The Nexus 5 feels great in the hand . I like the pure Google experience with no bloatware. The pure Google is also kinda a turn off to me as well tho now. I've been using nothing but the nexus line for the last 3 years (galaxy nexus, and nexus 4). It has not felt like I have gotten a new device. With the Nexus 6 around the corner soon maybe It might change my mind.

The s5 is intriguing to me tho. Some of the features I find neat. Like Air swipe and the eye tracking. I always do messy mechanical projects so I could really see these Features coming in hand when I need to look a procedure up.

I have until February to get an upgrade so I could always wait to see what Virgin will carry just before Christmas or in January as new phones usually pop up then.

[aaronck]

I know this was posted in the Iphone 6 section, but probably deserves to be here too...
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http://technology.canoe.ca/Mobile/Ne...relaxnews.html

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Now that's just not apples to apples?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by aaronck

I know this was posted in the Iphone 6 section, but probably deserves to be here too...
Microwave charging!
http://technology.canoe.ca/Mobile/Ne...relaxnews.html

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Hoax ad convinces Apple fans to microwave iPhone

Shirley, if someone is dumb enough to believe this they are too dumb to work a microwave.....

[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo, with huge fanfare Blackberry launched the Passport today.



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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle20718050/

This is a thread for relevant smartphones.

Please stay on topic.

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

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Shirley, if someone is dumb enough to believe this they are too dumb to work a microwave.....

I'm glad you're here to point that out. And don't call me Shirley.

[CKPThunder]

Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ

It bothers me, because if you look at the iPhone from a technical standpoint, it shouldn't be priced as freakin' high as it is. It should be closer to $500 or $600. But not $1000.

Are you comparing the unsubsidized iphone price to subsidized Android phones? Outside of the One Plus One and the Nexus phones, which Android premium phones cost $500?

I maybe remembering incorrectly but the from what I can recall I think the prices are were much closer than you are suggesting.

iphone 6 - $749
iphone 6+ - $849
Samsung S5 - $699
Note 3/4 - $749-$799
HTC M8 - $700
Sony Z2/3 - $799? (I think it was 599 pounds which is like $950 CDN)

The iphones are more expensive but not $400-$500 more expensive.

If you are talking about the Nexus or One+One, then maybe you should also add Samsung, Sony and HTC to your comments.

I am only questioning your costs and not feature sets. The majority of the premium phones come with a premium price tag.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Super Nintendo Chalmers

I'm glad you're here to point that out. And don't call me Shirley.

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[RedMileDJ]

Originally Posted by CKPThunder

Are you comparing the unsubsidized iphone price to subsidized Android phones? Outside of the One Plus One and the Nexus phones, which Android premium phones cost $500?

I maybe remembering incorrectly but the from what I can recall I think the prices are were much closer than you are suggesting.

iphone 6 - $749
iphone 6+ - $849
Samsung S5 - $699
Note 3/4 - $749-$799
HTC M8 - $700
Sony Z2/3 - $799? (I think it was 599 pounds which is like $950 CDN)

The iphones are more expensive but not $400-$500 more expensive.

If you are talking about the Nexus or One+One, then maybe you should also add Samsung, Sony and HTC to your comments.

I am only questioning your costs and not feature sets. The majority of the premium phones come with a premium price tag.

You're right. I was comparing outright prices, but I guess I got some of the prices wrong.

Here's Telus' pricing. Contract and non-contract pricing.

http://www.telus.com/en/ab/mobility/...onAll_toPhones

[terminator]

[QUOTE=Red-Mile-DJ;4918879]Yes, and the market (Sony, Samsung, Google, HTC, etc) have all said the outright price of a smartphone should be between $350 and $700. But Apple goes over and above, up to $1000?



What? Are you serious? No. I've said I'm bothered by a company that charges an exorbitant amount for it's technology, when it doesn't need to be that high.


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Thats not how it works, if company A and company B sell a product that services the same segment and As economists/FAs think the can sell their product for more then B then they will. Thats why Iphone is priced ~$50 -$100 more then others

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by terminator

Thats not how it works, if company A and company B sell a product that services the same segment and As economists/FAs think the can sell their product for more then B then they will. Thats why Iphone is priced ~$50 -$100 more then others

And your posts isn't how basic grammar works either.

[terminator]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

And your posts isn't how basic grammar works either.

Call the Wahmbulance cuz MMF feels leftout.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ

Yes, and the market (Sony, Samsung, Google, HTC, etc) have all said the outright price of a smartphone should be between $350 and $700. But Apple goes over and above, up to $1000?

You can't define the market by taking something out of the market first... The market has said the outright price of a smartphone is between $350 and $1000. If you take out the Apple then $700 is the highest price and by definition is too high, how can Samsung charge $700 when the rest are $350-$600?? Etc..

Besides Samsung goes over and above, Note 4 unlocked 32GB is $900. iPhone 6+ 64GB is $849.

Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ

I was more or less showing that drinking the kool-aid works for Apple.

You didn't show that at all. Every vertical has premium brands. Premium brands that charge more are bad you say (by using the derisive term to describe them). "My buddies make bad decisions and overspend to buy premium brands so premium brands should charge less". This makes no sense.

What you really seem to be saying is anyone that places value on different criteria than you do is drinking kool-aid.

Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ

What? Are you serious? No. I've said I'm bothered by a company that charges an exorbitant amount for it's technology, when it doesn't need to be that high.

EVERY company charges more than they need, that's why they exist. And since you're not privy to the private books of Apple or Samsung or anyone else you aren't in a position to evaluate what they "need" to charge. You're basing your evaluation on what is exorbitant on your criteria, which are not criteria shared by others.

And again need has nothing to do with market value.

You say you are bothered, what do you want to see happen? What would Apple have to do to make you not bothered?

Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ

Yes it is. That's what bothers me about it.

I was very close to getting an iPhone this time around. But when I read about the specs, price, etc I decided to stick with Android.

And your criteria are the only correct ones, because you're calling the price exorbitant, which means unreasonable, so other people's idea of value is unreasonable?

A Galaxy Note 4 is more than an iPhone 6+. A Galaxy S5 is more than an iPhone 6. And yet they don't outperform the iPhone, despite having supposedly better specs. Poorly engineered, poorly designed, I could say I'm bothered by Samsung. But I'm not.

Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ

I just don't think the outright price is justified.

And that's fine, that's why there's many different models and types of phones. And others do think the outright price is justified, no need to be bothered because others disagree.

[photon]

Originally Posted by CKPThunder

If you are talking about the Nexus or One+One, then maybe you should also add Samsung, Sony and HTC to your comments.

And both of those might have good reason to charge less for their phones than they normally would. Google not making anything or even losing on the Nexus hardware might be fine for what they get out of it for their whole business.

OnePlus One is a new thing, gaining entry to a market is tough so gaining brand loyalty and recognition is worth something.