What's really telling about Granlund's game in these videos is his nack to find the goal scoring areas. Watching him away from the puck shows exactly why he scores goals.
What's really telling about Granlund's game in these videos is his nack to find the goal scoring areas. Watching him away from the puck shows exactly why he scores goals.
Yeah, that's what I first noticed about Granlund, finding the goal scoring areas as a trigger man, and if that's all he did, it would be pretty good. Last season in Abbotsford though he was involved in the play and along with Max, driving it.
I like Granlund a lot but I can't forget to pump the tires of my boy, Wotherspoon.
There's no way Sven shouldn't be #3. Heck, you can make an argument for him at #1. He's proven more than any of our prospects at the NHL level as well as having an eqaully high ceiling.
For me there isn't enough information on Sieloff right now, so he drops some.
Agreed. He's had a rough couple of seasons with injuries now, and you have to start wondering how much that is going to effect his development. I really like his style of play and attitude, but he's definitely slipped behind Wotherspoon at this point as far as NHL readiness. Beyond that I think their ceilings were pretty similar (2nd pairing stay at home defensemen). I would give Wotherspoon the edge on skating (though Sieloff isn't bad) and puck moving, with Sieloff getting a huge edge in physical play.
Tougher choice but went with Sven in the end even after the bad season. He has the highest potential of any remaining prospects and could be a permanent member of the Flames within a year. This was so close between him and Granlund however so I am willing to admit Baertschi's high draft position and top prospect status from two years ago was the deciding factor.
The next round will be interesting. It sounds like many of the people who voted for Baertschi will pick Granlund next. I wonder if this will be enough for him to pass Poirier who seems to have a solid block of support.
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I find it very telling that the majority of posts in this thread are leaning towards Granlund or Poirier however the poll suggests a strong tilt towards Sven. To me, that says that the more educated and informed fans are leaning towards those two while the general masses just havent heard enough hype for either Marcus or Emile to surpass Sven for their votes..
I find it very telling that the majority of posts in this thread are leaning towards Granlund or Poirier however the poll suggests a strong tilt towards Sven. To me, that says that the more educated and informed fans are leaning towards those two while the general masses just havent heard enough hype for either Marcus or Emile to surpass Sven for their votes..
Nah, seen and heard all 3. Sven still has the most potential imho. Would be ecstatic to see all 3 plus Bennett, Gaudreau pan out.
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I find it very telling that the majority of posts in this thread are leaning towards Granlund or Poirier however the poll suggests a strong tilt towards Sven. To me, that says that the more educated and informed fans are leaning towards those two while the general masses just havent heard enough hype for either Marcus or Emile to surpass Sven for their votes..
Lord stuff like this bugs me. Why must we dismiss others opinions just because it is different from our own?
Frankly it is close between three, so to suggest that those that picked Sven are less informed and/or educated is snobby and arrogant.
I voted Sven. I did so because I've watched all 3 of these guys to some extent - though I admit Sven the most. I still think he has the most upside of any of the 3 - though I did give voting Poirier some thought. Prospect development is rarely a smooth straight line, but Sven has already demonstrated some ability to put up points in the NHL. I'm not going to under-rate him because of one rough year.
I think Poirier is a very intriguing prospect because of his potential to be a guy other teams hate to place against - who also produces some numbers.
Granlund took great strides last year - and continues to show really good instincts when it comes to finding the puck - and the hands to then finish.
All 3 are valid choices.
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Lord stuff like this bugs me. Why must we dismiss others opinions just because it is different from our own?
Frankly it is close between three, so to suggest that those that picked Sven are less informed and/or educated is snobby and arrogant.
I voted Sven. I did so because I've watched all 3 of these guys to some extent - though I admit Sven the most. I still think he has the most upside of any of the 3 - though I did give voting Poirier some thought. Prospect development is rarely a smooth straight line, but Sven has already demonstrated some ability to put up points in the NHL. I'm not going to under-rate him because of one rough year.
I think Poirier is a very intriguing prospect because of his potential to be a guy other teams hate to place against - who also produces some numbers.
Granlund took great strides last year - and continues to show really good instincts when it comes to finding the puck - and the hands to then finish.
All 3 are valid choices.
Yes all three are valid. Im just saying if you read the thread and compare the posts made vs the poll, the percentages for Poirier and Granlund are a lot more even when only considering the posts. Which would lead me to believe many people simply voted and gave it little thought, just saw Sven's name and overlooked the valid arguments made in this thread for Granlund and Poirier. Maybe im wrong, whatever.
I find it very telling that the majority of posts in this thread are leaning towards Granlund or Poirier however the poll suggests a strong tilt towards Sven. To me, that says that the more educated and informed fans are leaning towards those two while the general masses just havent heard enough hype for either Marcus or Emile to surpass Sven for their votes..
What a load of crap.
Most people who voted for Sven didn't write out a ton because he has been around for awhile, most poster know him and his strengths and because he is easily winning the poll so he doesn't need an explanation for voting for him.
Many who are voting for the guys with lesser votes are likely making a case in the thread because a. their guy is losing and they want to see him do better and b. they are a little upset that the majority don't see what they do so want to tell them. Also, some have asked those that vote for the lesser guys to explain their votes.
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Yes all three are valid. Im just saying if you read the thread and compare the posts made vs the poll, the percentages for Poirier and Granlund are a lot more even when only considering the posts. Which would lead me to believe many people simply voted and gave it little thought, just saw Sven's name and overlooked the valid arguments made in this thread for Granlund and Poirier. Maybe im wrong, whatever.
It's funny, because I see it as shiny new toy syndrome.
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Yes all three are valid. Im just saying if you read the thread and compare the posts made vs the poll, the percentages for Poirier and Granlund are a lot more even when only considering the posts. Which would lead me to believe many people simply voted and gave it little thought, just saw Sven's name and overlooked the valid arguments made in this thread for Granlund and Poirier. Maybe im wrong, whatever.
Well Sven has been a top prospect in the organization for several years now - so his selections probably requires less explanation.
Or maybe those picking Poirier or Granlund are just more verbose.
Beats me.
But you did it again - suggesting that those that picks Sven "gave it little thought".
I just don't have much time for that type of thing.
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I find it very telling that the majority of posts in this thread are leaning towards Granlund or Poirier however the poll suggests a strong tilt towards Sven. To me, that says that the more educated and informed fans are leaning towards those two while the general masses just havent heard enough hype for either Marcus or Emile to surpass Sven for their votes..
I just clicked the button thingy by the guy I heard of before.
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Really exciting to potentially have 5 or 6 of our future top 9 already in the system. Treliving and Burke really just need to focus on defense (hopefully at least one of Ortio/Gillies/McDonald pan out). Some of these forwards might need to get packaged together to upgrade D and RW, so I wouldn't get too attached. Add next year's 1st and maybe Hayes and only Buffalo has a better prospect base IMO.
Really hoping management doesn't give up on Baertschi too soon. I really feel in a US market he would thrive. Feaster didn't help him at all by rushing and hyping him. I don't believe for a second Granlund or Reinhart are better prospects. They may well end up the better players, but for now, Baertschi has much more potential. Really don't want to see him light us up for the next 10 years unless we end up with a stud Dman out of it. Going to be really interesting watching this shake out over the next 3-5 years.
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It's funny, because I see it as shiny new toy syndrome.
I think it's only natural for 2 reasons.
1. When a prospect is new, the sky is still the limit. When a prospect has been around longer, you can get a better idea of their ceiling.
2. A prospect is only a prospect until they either graduate or they bust. There are a finite number of chances to make it, and prospects that have been around longer already burned a few chances. I am not suggesting that Baertschi is a bust by any means, but by shear numbers, he has less time to work things out than say Bennett or Poirier.
One way I try to look at it is if you put all of our prospects up for trade, which ones would have the highest trade value?
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In round 2 I thought I would pick pourier over Sven but I switched back. Looking at their ceilings I see both as top 6 but not first line. Sven is a boom or bust, if he doesnt make it as a top 6 player I dont think he stays in the nhl in a 3rd line role. Pourier on the other hand if he doesnt become a high level nhl scorer still can be our super pest on the 3rd line.
When I look at likelyhood Sven has proved he can play in the AHL whereas Pourier is trending up after a solid year in the Q. Until Pourier plays against men I cant say it is more likely that he will reach his ceiling then Sven. With Bennet the ceiling was higher which put him at number 2. With an equal ceiling then Svens more experience makes him the better prospect.
Would I trade Sven for Pourier? The answer for me is no so I voted Sven as the 3rd prospect.
Looks like this one and the next 2 are decided already...and I agree with the consensus.
I'm happy with the rebuild this far.
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