World Cup GDT: June 18th

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by Bagor

What are you rambling about?
Simple fact is that refs as per the rules determine intent when determining whether or not to whistle a handball. Agree or disagree?

What am I rambling about? You keep quoting the rule book and pointing out people are incorrect, when this specific infraction is called significantly differently than you are "interpreting" it.

I don't believe officials go by intent within the box, if a player jumps and doesn't control his hand and it accidentally affects the trajectory of the ball, the majority of those are going to be penalties. If the player is keeping his hands down, while in a wall and it hits his hand by his side, that won't be called. In both instances, the player has no intent to "Suarez" the ball but one would be called a penalty.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

Further to Locke's statement, intent really only matters if it's not in the box. If it's what they call "ball to hand", not "hand to ball" outside of the 18, they'll let it go.

Is this something you've taken from Locke's rulebook or can you provide the rule stating that?

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

What am I rambling about? You keep quoting the rule book and pointing out people are incorrect, when this specific infraction is called significantly differently than you are "interpreting" it.

I am simply stating that Lockes statement that like a hockey high stick intent has zero bearing on a handball decision he is ... wrong.

Agree or disagree?

[MillerTime GFG]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Is this something you've taken from Locke's rulebook or can you provide the rule stating that?

That's taken from my 25 years of playing, which included university level and semi-pro. I'm also friends with some of the top refs in Alberta, some of which have now moved onto the MLS.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Can Chile give Holland a go first top of the group?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

What am I rambling about? You keep quoting the rule book and pointing out people are incorrect, when this specific infraction is called significantly differently than you are "interpreting" it.

I don't believe officials go by intent within the box, if a player jumps and doesn't control his hand and it accidentally affects the trajectory of the ball, the majority of those are going to be penalties. If the player is keeping his hands down, while in a wall and it hits his hand by his side, that won't be called. In both instances, the player has no intent to "Suarez" the ball but one would be called a penalty.

Unless you're Canadian.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

That's taken from my 25 years of playing, which included university level and semi-pro. I'm also friends with some of the top refs in Alberta, some of which have now moved onto the MLS.

Present the rule, or ask your friends to present it.
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/foot...en_neutral.pdf

Handball rule is the same all over the pitch.

[MillerTime GFG]

Originally Posted by fotze

Couldn't it be argued that having your arms not at your immediate sides is an intent to have the ball hit your arm?

Not really, because when you're playing, your hands don't naturally just sit at your sides if you're defending the ball. Again, it's totally situational and discretionary.

[GirlySports]

you guys are all correct.

if your arm is away from your body, it's intent. Ball to hand is nullified.

[MillerTime GFG]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Present the rule, or ask your friends to present it.
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/foot...en_neutral.pdf

Handball rule is the same all over the pitch.

Clearly you've never really played soccer. If you're going by the rulebook, then yes, you might be right. I'm not even going to open your link, but I can tell you in absolute certainty that it is not called that way in actual games.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by fotze

Couldn't it be argued that having your arms not at your immediate sides is an intent to have the ball hit your arm?

Yes. It is something that is taken into consideration. It's a complete discretionary call.

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Can Chile give Holland a go first top of the group?

Most definitely. Holland looked terrible defensively and Chile has the players to exploit that.

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by Bagor

I am simply stating that Lockes statement that like a hockey high stick intent has zero bearing on a handball decision he is ... wrong.

Agree or disagree?

When inside the box, I don't think he's way off base. When talking about regular game play, I'd say that analogy doesn't apply.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

Clearly you've never really played soccer. If you're going by the rulebook, then yes, you might be right. I'm not even going to open your link, but I can tell you in absolute certainty that it is not called that way in actual games.

Here we go. Spare me the online Pro/expert stuff.
Well then, I can tell you with absolute certainty you have been playing not knowing the rules for the last x years.
All I'm asking you is to back up your "absolute certainty."

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

When inside the box, I don't think he's way off base. When talking about regular game play, I'd say that analogy doesn't apply.

Again, the handball rule is the same regardless of where it happens on the pitch.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

Most definitely. Holland looked terrible defensively and Chile has the players to exploit that.

That will be a good match.
Both teams will really go for it to avoid the likely next round Brazil match up too.

I just double checked the schedule, and that match will be before the Brazil match that day thankfully.
If Brazil get 2 in their group, and Holland-Chile played after, that could have been a strange battle to lose.

[MillerTime GFG]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Here we go. Spare me the online Pro/expert stuff.
Well then, I can tell you with absolute certainty you have been playing not knowing the rules for the last x years.
All I'm asking you is to back up your "absolute certainty."

Lol, say whatever you want. I've only seen it first "hand" about a thousand times, but you're probably right. It's your experience that sets you ahead.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Present the rule, or ask your friends to present it.
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/foot...en_neutral.pdf

Handball rule is the same all over the pitch.

Yeah, what FIFA says and the the Truth are always the same thing too.

Dont go full Oiler.

[MillerTime GFG]

Never go full Oiler.

[V]

Can't we just chalk this up as part of discussing soccer with people that watch once every four years?