[Rumour] NHL and Seattle talking about expansion fees (~$225M)

[Iggy Snipe]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

You could easily increase to 84 games if you eliminated two exhibition games. NHLPA would accept that as it would mean more revenue and a higher cap at the end of the day.

The season is already too long IMO. The quality of hockey is not even close during the regular season which in my eyes is a problem. Playoff hockey is night and day to regular season hockey.

I would hate to see it get increased at all. I know they wont scale it back but 82 games is plenty.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Originally Posted by Iggy Snipe

The season is already too long IMO. The quality of hockey is not even close during the regular season which in my eyes is a problem. Playoff hockey is night and day to regular season hockey.

I would hate to see it get increased at all. I know they wont scale it back but 82 games is plenty.

Agree 100%. More of the same is definitely not the solution

I've seen a few suggestions on this board that would definitely provide some late-season motivation such as draft order being linked to wins after being mathematically eliminated from playoffs, wildcard seed mini playoffs etc

I'll admit I'm selfish and all I want is a new arena, nicer than Edmonton's (which will undoubtedly be amazing), completed soon enough after theirs that we can steal the thunder

Build it and they will come

[Enoch Root]

More of the same isn't good, that's true.

But adding one more home game, and dropping a pre-season game to do so, would be a pretty nice upgrade for STHs without adding dates.

[Alberta_Beef]

I don't think we would even notice if 2 games were added to be honest

[$ven27]

I'd much rather see a 60-65 game season but that'll probably never happen.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by $ven27

I'd much rather see a 60-65 game season but that'll probably never happen.

That would be a dream, a fantastic dream.

[Itse]

32 team league, 62 game season. One game home and away against every team. Winner of the regular season gets crowned NHL champion. Then all 32 teams take part in the Stanley Cup playoffs, with the winner being the Stanley Cup Champion.

It would be magnificent.

Also, everybody who thinks hockey should never take any lessons from soccer would pop a vein

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Itse

32 team league, 62 game season. One game home and away against every team. Winner of the regular season gets crowned NHL champion. Then all 32 teams take part in the Stanley Cup playoffs, with the winner being the Stanley Cup Champion.

It would be magnificent.

Also, everybody who thinks hockey should never take any lessons from soccer would pop a vein

We talk about playoffs having too many teams as it is, but it is an interesting idea to shorten the season, and add a playoff round. Several of the matchups would be a complete waste though since it'll be best versus worst, but the middle seeded matchups would be intriguing.

[lanny9]

Originally Posted by strombad

Don't be mad about something you did being called "lame" and then call someone else childish.

You were playing devil's advocate using an issue that is totally irrelevant to the current issues regarding Native American content used in sporting franchises.
The problems are with:
A) Racist logos or phrases (Redskins/Wahoo)
B) Representations of actual native people (Black Hawk)
C) Misuse of traditional Native American actions (Braves celebration)

What you're claiming to play devil's advocate with isn't even relevant to the discussion, making you seem ignorant of the issues. If you're ignorant of the issues, don't attempt to play someone who isn't for the sake of "devil's advocate".

Trust me, I'm firmly part of the "far left" and being far left has nothing to do with the use of Native American imagery. We don't just make stuff up to get upset about. That post just made you look goofy.

If you think one has nothing to do with the other simply makes you come across as the ignorant one here. lol, I have many, many native family and friends , having grown up with many reserves around and quite a few in my class and many more in our school, many I still consider friends today, one having stood up for me at my wedding and is one person I can bloody well guarantee will take offence to this use. So no sir,I am far from ignorant when it comes to this issue.

Most wouldn't have issue with it but lots will. I am very much in tune with native issues not just with respect to sports but across the board, so please do not try to insult my intelligence or I will school you in the issues!

Now, you tell me smart guy, how would you create a mascot or a logo that would sell jerseys with the name totem that will not be perceived as an insult? I think many would take issue with that "misrepresentation of Native American heritage", that i will continue to pay devils advocate and say it would open the NHL to a lot of bad press with linkage to other names and " this goes to show you how backwards the sport of hockey is" pack mentality.

Many in the native community do not want any native heritage being associated with sports at all and as such the media and then the far left will take up the cause, that you know to be true!

Anyways enough about this, I have said my piece, I think there would be problems, you obviously don't, so be it! But I am guessing the NHL would say no!

[Julio]

[lanny9]

^^^^ but again, will that logo sell jerseys and other merchandise, I'm not saying it can't be done but merchandise sales are a big part of sports and I hesitate to say that not many would buy that. 1968 was a very different era than today...You have to tread carefully when using someone's heritage as part of a sports team, that is all I have been trying to get across here.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by lanny9

^^^^ but again, will that logo stell jerseys and other merchandise, I'm not saying it can't be done but merchandise sales are a big part of sports and I hesitate to say that not many would buy that.

I disagree, I think they would fly off the shelves. They would instantly become my favorite jersey (2nd if we go bad to our originals)

[lanny9]

Originally Posted by $ven27

I'd much rather see a 60-65 game season but that'll probably never happen.

I thing the only problem is that the NHL doesn't have the uber lucratic tv deals that the other sports have, nor stadium capacity or draw of NFL,MLB. So like the NBA, who has decent tv deals in place, we have to have a longer season to make ends meet with players wanting to be paid like the other leagues( to a degree) as well as other costs associated with running a professional sports team and farm system. Baseball has great tv deals, large capacity stadiums and yet still pay 162 games plus playoffs so we're not to bad when you compare.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by lanny9

I have many, many native family and friends, having grown up with many reserves around, many I still consider friends today, one having stood up for me at my wedding and is one person I can bloody well guarantee will take offence to this use. I am very much in tune with native issues not just with respect to sports but across the board, so please do not try to insult my intelligence or I will school you in the issues!

That's fine, and fair enough, but you originally claimed you were just playing devil's advocate, which generally means you were taking the side of an issue you didn't side of for the sake of discussion, but now you're saying you're well versed with that side.

Also, I wonder if your friends and family would like being called trouble makers who just create issues and seek media attention. I wouldn't like it if a friend of mine said that.

Originally Posted by lanny9

You need to understand where those far left are coming from and the fact that they look to create issues with anything to do with anyone's heritage could be the problem here.

Originally Posted by lanny9

We all know how eager some people are to jump on this type of thing and cause trouble...these people are the ones who would get the media attention

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I disagree, I think they would fly off the shelves. They would instantly become my favorite jersey (2nd if we go bad to our originals)

Agreed, that jersey would be choice. What colour scheme did the Totems originally wear? I imagine Seattle would have to avoid the navy/green combo.

[lanny9]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I disagree, I think they would fly off the shelves. They would instantly become my favorite jersey (2nd if we go bad to our originals)

Really? I can't see it, does nothing for marketability imo, there are some great jerseys out there past and present, it may play well in the NW but anywhere else? I don't know.

[lanny9]

Originally Posted by strombad

That's fine, and fair enough, but you originally claimed you were just playing devil's advocate, which generally means you were taking the side of an issue you didn't side of for the sake of discussion, but now you're saying you're well versed with that side.

Also, I wonder if your friends and family would like being called trouble makers who just create issues and seek media attention. I wouldn't like it if a friend of mine said that.

I did not say I was taking their side, I said I was well versed, very different.

And yes my friend and I can differ in opinion but still remain very close friends, he is also strong union and a big NDP supporter but I don't hold it against him. :-) Are you saying that because someone holds a different opinion that they should just shut up? My friends and family don't think that way and it would be a shame if that's how you think?

I am not saying that this would create a big issue,what I am saying is that there are some people who will want it to be an issue. If the media picked up on that take on the issue it could steamroll and that is the reason I think the NHL would ask them to go back to the drawing board. If they did take a name like this they would have a very fine line to walk so as to not seem to be looking fun at their heritage in any way shape or form.

Could you imagine a mascot? I mean how could you create anything that would be politically correct in today's society?

[strombad]

Why does the mascot have to be Native American in ANY way?

We have a dog as our mascot. We're the Calgary Flames.

It's not like they have to make their mascot a Totem just because they're the Totems.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by strombad

Agreed, that jersey would be choice. What colour scheme did the Totems originally wear? I imagine Seattle wouldr have to avoid the navy/green combo.

they have kept the color scheme and logo through the years and likely would want to continue as it has been a staple in Seattle for a long time.

This is the current incarnations jerseys, the dark is more or less the same as it was back in the 70s, the current whites just have the colours reversed. The original whites had the same style as the Red Wings whites (obviously with green instead of red)

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by strombad

Why does the mascot have to be Native American in ANY way?

We have a dog as our mascot. We're the Calgary Flames.

It's not like they have to make their mascot a Totem just because they're the Totems.

exactly, I think a bird would be ideal since most totem poles have one atop it.