Best place to return something withou a receipt

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Maybe Walmart's take is that if they give you a $25 store credit, you'll spend $100 while you are there anyway, and they are happy just getting you in the store shopping. I would never do this. Hell, I don't even like doing legitimate returns, but I am guessing there is profit motive behind Walmart's liberal return policy, and something they've been able to use to their benefit even when people are taking advantage of it.

Also, maybe walmart is getting what they deserve with their checking everyone's carts and receipts policy. Treating your customers like suspected criminals seems to get people to do what they can get away with instead of what they think is right.

So Costco is also a bad guy?

Or any store with those magnetic readers at the door that go off when people try to steal?

[Northendzone]

i am voting this as one of the threads of the year......

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

So Costco is also a bad guy?

Or any store with those magnetic readers at the door that go off when people try to steal?

I'm not saying it makes them a bad guy, just saying that treating people like that probably gets people to be less honest when dealing with the company when they can get away with it. I personally find it annoying enough that I just avoid going to stores that treat their customers like criminals and one of the reasons I will always choose Target over Walmart.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Maybe Walmart's take is that if they give you a $25 store credit, you'll spend $100 while you are there anyway, and they are happy just getting you in the store shopping. I would never do this. Hell, I don't even like doing legitimate returns, but I am guessing there is profit motive behind Walmart's liberal return policy, and something they've been able to use to their benefit even when people are taking advantage of it.

Also, maybe walmart is getting what they deserve with their checking everyone's carts and receipts policy. Treating your customers like suspected criminals seems to get people to do what they can get away with instead of what they think is right.

All retailers have some form of protection against theft and frankly I think it's a great idea. I have no problem with someone checking my cart, bag or recipet. We as consumers pay for the losses due to theft in the form of higher prices on the goods and services we buy.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Peanut

I think it's possible OP just wanted to return the DVD's for the cost he paid and not lose money shipping it back to amazon. But yeah, if the intent was to buy on Black Friday and make a few bucks returning it later to another retailer... That's pretty low.

That was my intention, I just hate the hassle of dealing with shipping. But now that I know I'm the worst kind of nefarious monster, I might as well go all the way and rob a liquor store to recoup my $90

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

That was my intention, I just hate the hassle of dealing with shipping. But now that I know I'm the worst kind of nefarious monster, I might as well go all the way and rob a liquor store to recoup my $90

It costs nothing to ship back to Amazon.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

It costs nothing to ship back to Amazon.

http://www.amazon.ca/gp/help/custome...?nodeId=915466

You may return any of the following items to Amazon.ca, for any reason, for a full refund (we'll also refund the return shipping cost, if the return is a result of our error) within 30 days of delivery of your shipment (including gifts):

• Any book in its original condition
• Any unopened (still in its plastic wrap) CD, DVD, VHS tape, software, or video game

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

http://www.amazon.ca/gp/help/custome...?nodeId=915466

As it says, they only pay for return shipping if it was their error.

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

He isn't selling anything to Walmart. A selling conversation would go along the lines of. Hello, I have this DVD here and I noticed you sell DVDs. Would you like to purchase my copy from me to sell on your shelf?
What he is doing is fraud.
Hello, I purchased this from you but changed my mind and no longer require it. I lost my receipt though so I will take store credit.

One conversation is honest and the other is not. I wouldn't want to spend time with someone who doesn't know the difference.

The conversation actually went " I received these games as a gift and I already have them, they told me they bought them from Wal-Mart"

Its quite funny that people on these boards will look back into post history to try and discredit someone. My stand on re-selling electronics above selling price has nothing to do with this, someone buying all of the stores stock and raising an already marked up price and selling it to other people to profit is greasy.

I suppose if I really want to make money I should go into the ladder business and start selling to CP members, how is the view from up there?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

The conversation actually went " I received these games as a gift and I already have them, they told me they bought them from Wal-Mart"

Its quite funny that people on these boards will look back into post history to try and discredit someone. My stand on re-selling electronics above selling price has nothing to do with this, someone buying all of the stores stock and raising an already marked up price and selling it to other people to profit is greasy.

I suppose if I really want to make money I should go into the ladder business and start selling to CP members, how is the view from up there?

So you start out with a lie.............

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

The conversation actually went " I received these games as a gift and I already have them, they told me they bought them from Wal-Mart"

Was that the truth, or a lie? If a lie, how much of a lie? Did you get them as a gift, but they didn't say the store? Or did you simply buy them yourself?

That was sort fo my point- I can take the gift I got from my mom of some random DVD, and return it to Walmart for a store credit; without having to bug my mom for the receipt and tell her that her choice in movie selection sucks.

If people keep abusing the system, that benefit goes away.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Was that the truth, or a lie? If a lie, how much of a lie? Did you get them as a gift, but they didn't say the store? Or did you simply buy them yourself?

That was sort fo my point- I can take the gift I got from my mom of some random DVD, and return it to Walmart for a store credit; without having to bug my mom for the receipt and tell her that her choice in movie selection sucks.

If people keep abusing the system, that benefit goes away.

Every store provides a gift reciept these days. Every gift I puchase I always get one.

[return to the red]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Was that the truth, or a lie? If a lie, how much of a lie? Did you get them as a gift, but they didn't say the store? Or did you simply buy them yourself?

That was sort fo my point- I can take the gift I got from my mom of some random DVD, and return it to Walmart for a store credit; without having to bug my mom for the receipt and tell her that her choice in movie selection sucks.

If people keep abusing the system, that benefit goes away.

But what if your mom tells you she bought them at HMV but doesn't have the receipt but walmart sells the same ones and you can return them without receipt there?

do you do it? According to the thoughts of many here, you just stole from Walmart if you do.

I question your morals and ethics good sir

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

The conversation actually went " I received these games as a gift and I already have them, they told me they bought them from Wal-Mart"

Its quite funny that people on these boards will look back into post history to try and discredit someone. My stand on re-selling electronics above selling price has nothing to do with this, someone buying all of the stores stock and raising an already marked up price and selling it to other people to profit is greasy.

I suppose if I really want to make money I should go into the ladder business and start selling to CP members, how is the view from up there?

I posted it because the thread stood out in my mind, I didn't have to go searching for dirt.

I find it quite funny that you are against someone reselling consoles for profit (which according to you is 'greasy', but is legal), but you have no issue with buying items on sale for $100 from an online store and returning them to Walmart for $260. How is what you did any better than people selling consoles for a profit?

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

The conversation actually went " I received these games as a gift and I already have them, they told me they bought them from Wal-Mart"

Its quite funny that people on these boards will look back into post history to try and discredit someone. My stand on re-selling electronics above selling price has nothing to do with this, someone buying all of the stores stock and raising an already marked up price and selling it to other people to profit is greasy.

I suppose if I really want to make money I should go into the ladder business and start selling to CP members, how is the view from up there?

In the case of a ladder business (you'll lose money because we floated up here on our angel wings and don't need any ladders), it's a basic principle of capitalism to sell a good or service above your cost in order to profit but you are not required to report your original cost to the end-user consumer.

Re-selling a product back to a store based on a false premise (lying about the origin of the product, claiming ownership of the product originally belonged to the store, and that they now have an onus to purchase that item back from you due to a deceptive manipulation of their policy) is fraud both in a pragmatic way - you are choosing to cheat the system set in place for the convenience of other non-abusing consumers ....but it is also defined in the criminal code.

Return fraud (you committed both cross-retailer return fraud and price arbitrage fraud) is fraud and is punishable under the Canada Criminal Code sections 380(1)(b) for fraud under $5000 with penalties of 6 months to 2 years imprisonment and $5,000 in fines. Fraud over $5,000 is punishable under sections 380(1)(a) with penalties of up to 10 years in prison.

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God I really should not have stayed up that one night studying for that Certified Fraud Examiner's exam to prove to my lazy buddy that it was easy.

Also, let me get off my high horse here and admit that when I was a stupid pre-pubescent kid, I did try to commit fraud such as switching tags or actually taking product, but I never had the balls to actually return anything for cash or credit because that increases the chance that you get caught for your original act. I can't believe adults in this thread have the balls to do that and even justify it.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Was that a lie?

I believe he did say he bought them himself.

Originally Posted by Raekwon

I did this with that shop.ca deal. Got the rebates, discounts, paypal money bought 4 games for around $100 and returned them all to Wal-Mart for store credit $260.

If they don't like it change your policy.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

In the case of a ladder business, it's a basic principle of capitalism to sell a good or service above your cost in order to profit but you are not required to report your original cost to the end-user consumer.

Re-selling a product back to a store based on a false premise (lying about the origin of the product, claiming ownership of the product originally belonged to the store, and that they now have an onus to purchase that item back from you due to a deceptive manipulation of their policy) is fraud both in a pragmatic way - you are choosing to cheat the system set in place for the convenience of other non-abusing consumers. ...but it is also defined in the criminal code.

Return fraud is fraud and is punishable under the Canada Criminal Code sections 380(1)(b) for fraud under $5000 with penalties of 6 months to 2 years imprisonment and $5,000 in fines. Fraud over $5,000 is punishable under sections 380(1)(a) with penalties of up to 10 years in prison.

My thanks buttom has disappeared.


Thanks.

[GP_Matt]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

That was my intention, I just hate the hassle of dealing with shipping. But now that I know I'm the worst kind of nefarious monster, I might as well go all the way and rob a liquor store to recoup my $90

I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but if you hate dealing with returning things by mail then maybe you should shop at brick and mortar stores.

[return to the red]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but if you hate dealing with returning things by mail then maybe you should shop at brick and mortar stores.

He will when he uses his Walmart Gift card

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

In the case of a ladder business (you'll lose money because we floated up here on our angel wings and don't need any ladders), it's a basic principle of capitalism to sell a good or service above your cost in order to profit but you are not required to report your original cost to the end-user consumer.

Re-selling a product back to a store based on a false premise (lying about the origin of the product, claiming ownership of the product originally belonged to the store, and that they now have an onus to purchase that item back from you due to a deceptive manipulation of their policy) is fraud both in a pragmatic way - you are choosing to cheat the system set in place for the convenience of other non-abusing consumers ....but it is also defined in the criminal code.

Return fraud (you committed both cross-retailer return fraud and price arbitrage fraud) is fraud and is punishable under the Canada Criminal Code sections 380(1)(b) for fraud under $5000 with penalties of 6 months to 2 years imprisonment and $5,000 in fines. Fraud over $5,000 is punishable under sections 380(1)(a) with penalties of up to 10 years in prison.

-edit

God I really should not have stayed up that one night studying for that Certified Fraud Examiner's exam to prove to my lazy buddy that it was easy.

Also, let me get off my high horse here and admit that when I was a stupid pre-pubescent kid, I did try to commit fraud such as switching tags or actually taking product, but I never had the balls to actually return anything for cash or credit because that increases the chance that you get caught for your original act. I can't believe adults in this thread have the balls to do that and even justify it.

I did not know this was illegal and it turns out I am wrong and I admit it. Its not something I would have done if I thought I was screwing someone over and I don't feel anyone was at a loss here as I explained in previous posts. Thank you.