Sieloff needs a year in junior and another in AHL before he can be considered NHL ready.
He needs to develop his game, rushing him would be a disaster.
If he plays for the Flames this year I would project his carrier to last about 30 games.
The kid would be a couple of concussions away from, -‘he could have been a good player’.
I believe that if he plays in the AHL he'll burn a year of his ELC. No point in wasting a contract year until he's NHL ready so he should proably go back to Windsor.
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I believe that if he plays in the AHL he'll burn a year of his ELC. No point in wasting a contract year until he's NHL ready so he should proably go back to Windsor.
I think some of you are being way too sensitive about burning a year of an Entry-Level contract. If Seiloff is ready for AHL competition then you play him there, it's better for his development. In two years after that if he's an NHL player ready for a bigger raise, so be it.
I get it when it comes to bigger players who will probably get huge contracts when their ELC is up but not in cases like this.
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Nope. Once he's down, he's down. There is emergency recalls but those are rare and he'd have to be returned asap. Flames have only recalled two gusy from juniors ever for emergency purposes. Sven and Tyrone Garner.
I want to say there is one more guy too, a defenseman... Chris St Croix...? Or around the time of that guy.
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We should never play any of our young players so we don't burn a year of ELC.
Jesus.. playing a year of a contract is not a bad thing.
At the same time, the main point is whether Junior would be a better spot than the AHL. Certainly nothing wrong with the other side of the coin, letting him take his time in development as a defenseman.
For most players, I'm in favor of giving them an extra year in junior and letting them build their confidence against weaker competition, but in Sieloff's case, because of the style of game he plays, he'll probably benefit from the AHL more than the OHL.
In the OHL, he'll be one of the older players this season, so a lot of the competition will be smaller and weaker. It seemed like last season, every time he threw a big clean hit, he'd get jumped by someone from the other team and have to fight. That will likely continue to be a problem for him this year if he stays in Windsor.
In the AHL, he'd be one of the youngest (if not the youngest) players in the league. He'd still be able to throw big hits, but the competition would be better equipped to receive the hits. There's a big difference between hitting a 17 year-old who's 6 feet tall and 170 pounds and hitting a 20 year-old who's 6 feet tall and 200 pounds.
His own size is a bit of a concern as well. He's about the same size as Gio, about 3 inches shorter and 20 pounds lighter than a guy like Phaneuf. Gio throws a big hit every once in a while, but it's not his bread and butter. To have a successful NHL career, Sieloff is probably going to have to change his game up as well, something that he won't need to do if he's still pushing around teenagers in Ontario this winter.
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For most players, I'm in favor of giving them an extra year in junior and letting them build their confidence against weaker competition, but in Sieloff's case, because of the style of game he plays, he'll probably benefit from the AHL more than the OHL.
In the OHL, he'll be one of the older players this season, so a lot of the competition will be smaller and weaker. It seemed like last season, every time he threw a big clean hit, he'd get jumped by someone from the other team and have to fight. That will likely continue to be a problem for him this year if he stays in Windsor.
In the AHL, he'd be one of the youngest (if not the youngest) players in the league. He'd still be able to throw big hits, but the competition would be better equipped to receive the hits. There's a big difference between hitting a 17 year-old who's 6 feet tall and 170 pounds and hitting a 20 year-old who's 6 feet tall and 200 pounds.
His own size is a bit of a concern as well. He's about the same size as Gio, about 3 inches shorter and 20 pounds lighter than a guy like Phaneuf. Gio throws a big hit every once in a while, but it's not his bread and butter. To have a successful NHL career, Sieloff is probably going to have to change his game up as well, something that he won't need to do if he's still pushing around teenagers in Ontario this winter.
I don't agree with the bolded part. Niklas Kronwall is about the same size and plays the same way and he does okay in the NHL. Sieloff even molds his game after him. He will have to play smart though and pick his targets. Don't go after the larger guys unless he has the advantage(off balance, head down, etc.)
If he picks his spots, I think he would be fine. I do agree that if he doesn't make the big club, I would like to see him in Abbotsford.
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For most players, I'm in favor of giving them an extra year in junior and letting them build their confidence against weaker competition, but in Sieloff's case, because of the style of game he plays, he'll probably benefit from the AHL more than the OHL.
In the OHL, he'll be one of the older players this season, so a lot of the competition will be smaller and weaker. It seemed like last season, every time he threw a big clean hit, he'd get jumped by someone from the other team and have to fight. That will likely continue to be a problem for him this year if he stays in Windsor.
In the AHL, he'd be one of the youngest (if not the youngest) players in the league. He'd still be able to throw big hits, but the competition would be better equipped to receive the hits. There's a big difference between hitting a 17 year-old who's 6 feet tall and 170 pounds and hitting a 20 year-old who's 6 feet tall and 200 pounds.
His own size is a bit of a concern as well. He's about the same size as Gio, about 3 inches shorter and 20 pounds lighter than a guy like Phaneuf. Gio throws a big hit every once in a while, but it's not his bread and butter. To have a successful NHL career, Sieloff is probably going to have to change his game up as well, something that he won't need to do if he's still pushing around teenagers in Ontario this winter.
I like this line of thinking. If he goes back to Junior and dominates physically too easily he may skew his game towards being overly physical. If he moved to the AHL and faced bigger stronger competition he'll be forced to make smarter decisions and broaden his repertoire.
Nope. Once he's down, he's down. There is emergency recalls but those are rare and he'd have to be returned asap. Flames have only recalled two gusy from juniors ever for emergency purposes. Sven and Tyrone Garner.
And Backlund or was that different?
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For most players, I'm in favor of giving them an extra year in junior and letting them build their confidence against weaker competition, but in Sieloff's case, because of the style of game he plays, he'll probably benefit from the AHL more than the OHL.
In the OHL, he'll be one of the older players this season, so a lot of the competition will be smaller and weaker. It seemed like last season, every time he threw a big clean hit, he'd get jumped by someone from the other team and have to fight. That will likely continue to be a problem for him this year if he stays in Windsor.
In the AHL, he'd be one of the youngest (if not the youngest) players in the league. He'd still be able to throw big hits, but the competition would be better equipped to receive the hits. There's a big difference between hitting a 17 year-old who's 6 feet tall and 170 pounds and hitting a 20 year-old who's 6 feet tall and 200 pounds.
His own size is a bit of a concern as well. He's about the same size as Gio, about 3 inches shorter and 20 pounds lighter than a guy like Phaneuf. Gio throws a big hit every once in a while, but it's not his bread and butter. To have a successful NHL career, Sieloff is probably going to have to change his game up as well, something that he won't need to do if he's still pushing around teenagers in Ontario this winter.
Sounds like Sieloff is physically ready for the next level. The big question would be are his puck handling skills developed enough?
Even the 7 point a year stay at home NHL defenders put up decent amounts of points of junior. Every NHL defender needs a base level of puck handling to be able to evade fore checkers and make outlet passes at that level.
Sieloff's progress in that area should probably determine whether he plays AHL or goes back to juniors.
He will have to play smart though and pick his targets. Don't go after the larger guys unless he has the advantage(off balance, head down, etc.)
Yeah, that's what I meant. I wouldn't want him to stop playing a physical game, but playing against grown men in the AHL will help him understand where he can pick his spots better than just continuing to run over kids in the OHL.
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Yeah, that's what I meant. I wouldn't want him to stop playing a physical game, but playing against grown men in the AHL will help him understand where he can pick his spots better than just continuing to run over kids in the OHL.
That's cool then, I thought you meant change the way he plays so physical so he doesn't get hurt. I totally agree he may need to learn playing against men instead of boys. He seems to have a great work ethic and I hope he learns what he needs to in camp and pre-season. I would love to to see a 5/6 pairing of O'brien and Sieloff. One to lower the boom and the other to back him up when the melee ensues. Most likely we are going to suck, so might as well make teams pay somehow when they come to town.
