[Rumour] Feaster only offering T.J. Brodie a one or two year deal.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

So.. Anyone know when Boyd will sign?

Did anybody else notice we lost Rico Fata on waivers?

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by dying4acup

Did anybody else notice we lost Rico Fata on waivers?

NY Rangers picked him up ages ago. There were like 100 threads about it...

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Flacker

3 year/$6sih is definitely justified for Brodie, he has proven that he is capable, so pay him as such.

I don't think it looks good, to not commit after the season he has had. The youth coming in, have to see the pay off for hard work.

Brodie has developed into a serviceable top 4 d-man, I'm not sure why we should be afraid to commit long term.

I think they don't want to set the wrong example. If they sign Brodie to a multi-year deal based mostly half a season, it might backfire with other young players feeling they should get the same. Considering the amount of young players coming in right now to prove themselves, I'm not against setting the bar for a multi-year deal higher.

[Flamette]

^ Exactly.
If the rebuild continues the framework has to start now.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Maybe Brodie holds out like Subban did last season. It will give a couple of our other young guys a better look in the NHL.

I hope he suggests it to his agent, and I hope he sees what contract Subban got after holding out, and is paid using that contract as a reference.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

I hope he suggests it to his agent, and I hope he sees what contract Subban got after holding out, and is paid using that contract as a reference.

Subban is a Norris winner. Brodie is not in that league. Holding out after one good short season would be pretty presumptuous

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Subban is a Norris winner. Brodie is not in that league. Holding out after one good short season would be pretty presumptuous

To be perfectly honest, Subban isn't in that league either. He was chosen by the same people who voted for Ovechkin as the best player in a position that he didn't play.

But your point is kind of my point. Subban is better than Brodie is now, and has more experience. And when Subban tried to hold out, he lost out and got a contract which was significantly less than he deserved.

Brodie would lose too if he tried to hold out, except even more so.

I would be ok with that. Kid still gets paid unreasonable amounts of money to play hockey, and the Flames would have more money (not just cap space but actual real-world dollars) to work with.

[iggy_oi]

^^subban put up almost a point per game, like him or hate him he deserved the norris

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

^^subban put up almost a point per game, like him or hate him he deserved the norris

I like Subban, but anybody who honestly thinks he is the absolute best hockey defenceman in the entire world is (in my humble opinion) pretty much delusional.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

To be perfectly honest, Subban isn't in that league either. He was chosen by the same people who voted for Ovechkin as the best player in a position that he didn't play.

But your point is kind of my point. Subban is better than Brodie is now, and has more experience. And when Subban tried to hold out, he lost out and got a contract which was significantly less than he deserved.

Brodie would lose too if he tried to hold out, except even more so.

I would be ok with that. Kid still gets paid unreasonable amounts of money to play hockey, and the Flames would have more money (not just cap space but actual real-world dollars) to work with.

Subban and O'reilly could only holdout last year because of the signing deadline anyway. Is the deadline back this year where he'd have to sign by dec 1 or miss the entire nhl season. Haven't seem too many holdouts since they've implemented that rule. I apologize if that's been covered in the thread.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

I like Subban, but anybody who honestly thinks he is the absolute best hockey defenceman in the entire world is (in my humble opinion) pretty much delusional.

Never said he was the best defenceman in hockey, just disagreed with your stating he only got the Norris because of the people who vote on the awards. He is still very young and has all the tools to one day be considered one of the best if not the best in the league, though I agree he is not there yet.

Anyways back on topic, sign Brodie!!!

[Poe969]

Just read a report that Subban isn't a Flame.

Moving on....

I think Brodie will sign soon but if he doesn't, I wonder if he'll be trade bait for a team that needs a decent defensman on a smaller contract. Either way, I think it's win win for the Flames

[BACKCHECK!!!]

I think trading Brodie would be a terrible idea.

Not because he's some kind of hockey Jesus or anything, but just because defencemen usually take 6-8 years after their draft to really hit their stride. Brodie was drafted 5 years ago, he's come along faster than most expected, and he's just making a mark in the NHL now.

Even if the Flames draft some prime defenders next year, they probably won't be at their peaks until the 2020-2022 time frame.

Brodie is the only impact defender the Flames have in an age bracket that is crucial to the rebuild.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

I like Subban, but anybody who honestly thinks he is the absolute best hockey defenceman in the entire world is (in my humble opinion) pretty much delusional.

The Norris goes to the best defenseman THIS PAST SEASON and Subban had a phenomenal (half) season. People often complain about awards going to the bigger name instead of the guy with the better season. Lidstrom should have won the Norris at least a couple of times before he won his first one and probably didn't fully deserve to win a trophy or two after that.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

I think trading Brodie would be a terrible idea.

Not because he's some kind of hockey Jesus or anything, but just because defencemen usually take 6-8 years after their draft to really hit their stride. Brodie was drafted 5 years ago, he's come along faster than most expected, and he's just making a mark in the NHL now.

Even if the Flames draft some prime defenders next year, they probably won't be at their peaks until the 2020-2022 time frame.

Brodie is the only impact defender the Flames have in an age bracket that is crucial to the rebuild.

I'm not saying I want us to trade Brodie at all, BUT if he doesn't want to be here for some reason and won't sign then by trading him I think we will get a decent return. Best case scenario would be him signing a 2 year "hometown discount" deal and earning a reasonable contract after that. If Brodie comes out to day and says he doesn't like the direction of the team (not in public but just to Feaster) then I'm sure he would be traded and the return would include a similar defensman.

[Stay Golden]

Hey Feaster you only had 2 main RFA's to resign this year and 1 is still unsigned even after the supposed deadline. The rest of the RFA's taken care of are not nearly as key to the current Flames roster as Backlund and Brodie but yet Brodie has no deal agreed to.
But hey at least those scrubs Butler and Byron got taken care of . Priorities are over looked thing.
And yes i know the sky is falling BS posts will mock this one but take notice this Brodie not coming to a simple contract is a reflection on how Feaster is as a GM and how the Flames ownership are looking at dealing with young player's going forward that are the next core.
Good luck attracting any meaningful UFA's next season and if Feaster, King and Edwards have not taken notice all teams are locking up their core players. Quality UFA's are going to become very slim pickings next season.
Feaster's stategy of save now is going to cost him much more higher of caphit for Brodie in 2 seasons. They will lose when he asks for bigger money and a longer deal then and they will be unwilling to negotiate that next contract.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Hey Feaster you only had 2 main RFA's to resign this year and 1 is still unsigned even after the supposed deadline. The rest of the RFA's taken care of are not nearly as key to the current Flames roster as Backlund and Brodie but yet Brodie has no deal agreed to.
But hey at least those scrubs Butler and Byron got taken care of . Priorities are over looked thing.
And yes i know the sky is falling BS posts will mock this one but take notice this Brodie not coming to a simple contract is a reflection on how Feaster is as a GM and how the Flames ownership are looking at dealing with young player's going forward.
Good luck attracting any meaningful UFA's next season and if Feaster, King and Edwards have not taken notice all teams are locking up their core players. Quality UFA's are going to become very slim pickings next season.
Feaster's stategy of save now is going to cost him much more higher of caphit for Brodie in 2 seasons. They will lose when he asks for bigger money and a longer deal then and they will be unwilling to negotiate that next contract.

Can you provide more information on how the negotiations are going and what each side's positions are? I missed that part

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Can you provide more information on how the negotiations are going and what each side's positions are? I missed that part

Do you really live your life this way, is this your general vanilla response - prove it, prove it, prove it.
Do you have an original thought or are you one of these people that sit on the fence all your life.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Do you really live your life this way, prove it, prove it, prove it. Do you have an original thought or are you one of these people that sit on the fence all your life.

I'm actually not a prove it guy, I just think you were making pretty strong statements about Feaster's competence when the only fact we have is that Brodie is not signed yet

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Hey Feaster you only had 2 main RFA's to resign this year and 1 is still unsigned even after the supposed deadline. The rest of the RFA's taken care of are not nearly as key to the current Flames roster as Backlund and Brodie but yet Brodie has no deal agreed to.
But hey at least those scrubs Butler and Byron got taken care of . Priorities are over looked thing.
And yes i know the sky is falling BS posts will mock this one but take notice this Brodie not coming to a simple contract is a reflection on how Feaster is as a GM and how the Flames ownership are looking at dealing with young player's going forward that are the next core.
Good luck attracting any meaningful UFA's next season and if Feaster, King and Edwards have not taken notice all teams are locking up their core players. Quality UFA's are going to become very slim pickings next season.
Feaster's stategy of save now is going to cost him much more higher of caphit for Brodie in 2 seasons. They will lose when he asks for bigger money and a longer deal then and they will be unwilling to negotiate that next contract.

You are entitled to your opinion, but in my view that is a sky is falling argument. There is no way of knowing how the negotiations are going.
It is not a simple contract, there is plenty of time to have a deal done, I have heard nothing about a potential riff between Brodie and the flames and I don't think it reflects positively or negatively on Feaster (until we see the actual terms).