[Rumour] Flames ownership squashed Seguin to Flames

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Yes, that place is crazy. I have also heard some crazy rumors about players there (a few stags too many in Vegas), keep in mind the girls are mostly prostitutes and strippers all being told stories from other prostitutes and strippers.

If I spent $100 bucks there, a wealthy player could easily drop $5,000. Considering they are set for life, $5,000 easily becomes $50,000 (I am sure they are paying for all their buddies) and the rumors start. I wouldn't put much into what I hear in a strip joint.

I would also add that some of the strippers take their job very seriously. They are not dumb, and they keep up with current events such as, politics, sports, business, ect in order to keep what ever client they have at the time interested in them and giving them money.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

I am not sure if I agree that this should be considered a 'high risk move' due to his so called partying ways. I know for a fact many of our most favorite flames of the past and present still like to party or used to party, and some of the guys who receive the bulk of the criticism show up in shape and train all year.

I think it is reasonable some players are not robots and do go out and have some fun, and over time they slow down a bit.

This is a "high risk move" based on the salacious rumours, and coupled with Seguin's chronic hip condition.

[Roof-Daddy]

If these rumours are true, I am very glad we didn't spend assets to acquire this kid. The last thing we need is an irresponsible, selfish guy like that coming into our young room and possibly influencing our young players in a negative way with his blatantly poor level of professionalism.

Again, if the rumours are true.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If these rumours are true, I am very glad we didn't spend assets to acquire this kid. The last thing we need is an irresponsible, selfish guy like that coming into our young room and possibly influencing our young players in a negative way with his blatantly poor level of professionalism.

Again, if the rumours are true.

Influencing our young players? The kid is 21 years old, he would be one of the young players.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

I am not sure if I agree that this should be considered a 'high risk move' due to his so called partying ways. I know for a fact many of our most favorite flames of the past and present still like to party or used to party, and some of the guys who receive the bulk of the criticism show up in shape and train all year.

I think it is reasonable some players are not robots and do go out and have some fun, and over time they slow down a bit.

Regardless of whether it's partying or something else, Boston must know something about Seguin that for them has turned what is generally recognized as one of the most valuable assets a team can have (a highly talented, young centre with lots of potential) into a player they wanted to get rid of asap. It's not because he's young and partying that I think he's high risk, it's because I believe in the competence of the Bruins to assess players and build a successful team. Their judgment that Seguin, who should be considered invaluable, is actually a player they needed to get rid of suggests that he's high risk.

All that said, he could still be great and the payout for taking the chance could be great for Dallas, but the Flames are in a very sensitive development stage and I think it's better they stick to a plan, exercise patience and build carefully.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I'm happy we didn't trade a bunch of assets for a 21 year old with maturity issues who is pulling down $5 million a season. That is where the risk is, and the Flames are better off not giving up multiple young assets to assume that much financial risk on an immature player displaying negative behaviors. Think about it people. Why would Boston give up on a player like this? Speaks volumes. Dodged a bullet.

[Sylvanfan]

As I said in another thread, even if the Flames get Seguin for nothing, they are not a playoff team this coming season, and likely next season either unless a lot of things go right for them. So factor in that they would have needed to part with pieces to get him, I don't think it would have been a great benefit to get him without any of the other peripheral stuff. Also what is the rumored package that we know for sure would have returned Seguin? Sure it's great to speculate Backlund, 2nd, and Gaudreau...but what would the actual cost have been?

Although I hope ownership keeps in mind a few years from now that it asked the customers to pay a lot of money for an on ice team that didn't put as much financial resources into the on ice product as it could have. It likely is the right hockey move, but I hope they give something back to these customers in the future...they'll owe it to them.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by bax

Influencing our young players? The kid is 21 years old, he would be one of the young players.

Young people influence other young people all the time.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

If the Flames are going to never want to deal with young players who might be having some difficulty controlling themselves early on in their careers (and I'm not saying they won't) then the Flames are likely never going to be able to build from with in or through younger players which is what we want and what you need in the NHL to be successful.

I'm not saying all young players will stray a little, but I'd wager a lot will as they try to mature and you can't be giving up on them all the time cause most of them will come throughout it at some point and grow up and be effective.

People are looking at the Boston thing all wrong. That team is in a much different position to the Flames. One they are in win now mode, so if they feel Seguin is going to hurt the teams chances while they are in their window right now, they may have made a shorter term decision to oust him because they like their chances winning a cup over the next couple of years better with out him, fully knowing long term he'll be a great player. They have the depth and the short term focus to justify such a decision. If they were in the same position as say the Oilers, i doubt they make the same move.

Flames need to be looking to work and develop young players like that, and they don't have to worry about short term impacts on results. This overarching sentiment that if the genius management staff in Boston thought Seguin needed to be given up on then the Flames should want none of that is far to simplistic.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

If the Flames are going to never want to deal with young players who might be having some difficulty controlling themselves early on in their careers (and I'm not saying they won't) then the Flames are likely never going to be able to build from with in or through younger players which is what we want and what you need in the NHL to be successful.

I'm not saying all young players will stray a little, but I'd wager a lot will as they try to mature and you can't be giving up on them all the time cause most of them will come throughout it at some point and grow up and be effective.

People are looking at the Boston thing all wrong. That team is in a much different position to the Flames. One they are in win now mode, so if they feel Seguin is going to hurt the teams chances while they are in their window right now, they may have made a shorter term decision to oust him because they like their chances winning a cup over the next couple of years better with out him, fully knowing long term he'll be a great player. They have the depth and the short term focus to justify such a decision. If they were in the same position as say the Oilers, i doubt they make the same move.

Flames need to be looking to work and develop young players like that, and they don't have to worry about short term impacts on results. This overarching sentiment that if the genius management staff in Boston thought Seguin needed to be given up on then the Flames should want none of that is far to simplistic.

Boston didn't trade him for a big win-now type player though. They traded him mostly for other young guys. He's still the best player involved in the trade. Nothing they got back is going to bring more talent to help them win a cup in 2014 than what they shipped out in Seguin. Seguin was also a big player for them in the year they did win the cup and has a lot of playoff experience. The move reeks of wanting to get rid of Seguin more than of wanting to win now.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Boston didn't trade him for a big win-now type player though. They traded him mostly for other young guys. He's still the best player involved in the trade. Nothing they got back is going to bring more talent to help them win a cup in 2014 than what they shipped out in Seguin. Seguin was also a big player for them in the year they did win the cup and has a lot of playoff experience. The move reeks of wanting to get rid of Seguin more than of wanting to win now.

You're greatly undervaluing Loui Eriksson. He's a legitimate 1st line winger and plays a strong 200 foot game. Morrow also gives them a nice piece on the back-end at a great age.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Boston didn't trade him for a big win-now type player though. They traded him mostly for other young guys. He's still the best player involved in the trade. Nothing they got back is going to bring more talent to help them win a cup in 2014 than what they shipped out in Seguin. Seguin was also a big player for them in the year they did win the cup and has a lot of playoff experience. The move reeks of wanting to get rid of Seguin more than of wanting to win now.

As someone else pointed out, I think you are undervaluing the return. And you missed the point of my post. I wasn't really focusing on the return, I was focusing on that if Boston views him as a distraction now, when they are in win now mode, then shipping him out might be a prudent short term decision. The classic addition by subtraction in the short tern for them.

[MissTeeks]

Release from the Stars:

@JoshRimerHockey: Dallas Stars statement regarding Tyler Seguin, "In no way, shape or form does the Dallas Stars organization condone or agree with the message that was sent out through Tyler Seguin's Twitter feed last night. We've addressed the issue directly with Tyler & we'll continue to work on educating our players regarding importance of conduct on all forms of social media."

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I think to much is being made of Seguins off ice personal lilfe. A 21 year old sports athelete that goes out and has a good time? That's shocking. He is not the first and will not be the last that likes to have a good time at his young age. I remember the same things being said about Carter and Richards. I am pretty sure they ended up winning a cup.

Seguin is still going to be a great player. Anybody on CP that would not want him on the flames because he liked to go out are fools.

It wasn't the going out that bothered the Bruins. It was the being late or missing practices as a result of it.

[killer_carlson]

Whoa.....

That statement implies Seguin was the source of the tweet.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by Dienasty

Haha what crystal ball are you looking at? Dude is 21 playing second line minutes and has already had a 67 point season.

He regressed heavily last season, almost to the point of being a healthy scratch in the playoffs and being traded by the team that drafted him as a future franchise player only 3 seasons ago. This is not a kid on the up swing here. Sure he's young and may still put it together, but it's just as likely that he never does and becomes a very good, but not great 60+ point top 6 forward.

That's what the Bruins crystal ball was telling them.

What is your crystal ball telling you?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

It wasn't the going out that bothered the Bruins. It was the being late or missing practices as a result of it.

Well I'm not sure hungover players could ever be as good as non-hungover players. I imagine drinking heavily the night before a playoff game would be frowned on by most organizations even if you don't miss practice or are late.

[CalgaryFan1988]

If Twitter was getting in the way of my career and personal life, pretty sure I'd cancel my twitter account.

Common sense goes a long way.

[SHOGUN]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

If Twitter was getting in the way of my career and personal life, pretty sure I'd cancel my twitter account.

Common sense goes a long way.

That's like saying if someone who is an alcoholic to stop drinking cause it's getting in the way of their personal life and career... it ain't that simple. People have different addictions whether it's with drugs, alcohol, food, exercise or the internet.

[Newton]

Well Kane had a pretty immature off season last year too ...and we all see how that worked out in Chicago this year.