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Old 12-27-2014, 12:00 PM   #141
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How is the rest of his team doing? If his entire team is slumping that could at least partially explain it.
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Old 12-27-2014, 12:03 PM   #142
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Giordano and Wideman both had very good junior numbers (Glencross was an NCAA player). Wideman in particular was a PPG guy as defenseman.
At 19 Glencross and Giordano were playing junior A and Wideman didn't get signed by the team that drafted him.

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You definitely draft BPA, especially in the first round. And yes drafting an organizational need 3-4 years in advance makes zero sense. Hopefully Klimchuk becomes a solid player for us but over the last year I've kind of lost more confidence in him than I've gained.
I'm glad you're not running the team then! If you think grabbing the bpa later in the first is the easy to go good luck to you. A road map needs to be followed, do you honestly think that you are going to get she fire kids step into the league from most of the first round let alone later first round? Doesn't happen and is why teams have a draft plan cause they know most kids will take 3-4 years in order to be ready(if they ever are), so going bpa there is foolish and unwise imo. Also Bpa for one team does not equal bpa fir the next team, especially the later first round on in probably 19 out of 20 drafts.
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How is the rest of his team doing? If his entire team is slumping that could at least partially explain it.
They started out slow but since he came back they have done quite well.
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At 19 Glencross and Giordano were playing junior A and Wideman didn't get signed by the team that drafted him.
Giordano played for the Owen Sound Attack at nineteen. They are an OHL team.
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Old 12-27-2014, 12:38 PM   #146
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If it's premature to express doubts about Klimchuk's development, then is it premature to express optimism about Poirier's? Or can only critical assessments be premature?
If you're talking about an accurate assessment no, someone simply going out to bash someone for the simple need to bash is another thing. There's nothing statistically other than a cut from the WJC team that indicates Klimchuk is a plug or is regressing in his development.

I'd totally understand if there was something to warrant the "critical assessment" but at this point there really isn't.

Some things about Klimchuk do need to mentioned like his constant injuries.
Could still add about 10 lbs, needs to shoot more.

This is not a critical assessment:

"Klimchuk has been a disappointment almost on every level" . That's biased opinion.
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Old 12-27-2014, 12:58 PM   #147
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Sorry how has he regressed. His point totals increased per game other than this year where he suffered an injury.
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Old 12-27-2014, 01:08 PM   #148
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If it's premature to express doubts about Klimchuk's development, then is it premature to express optimism about Poirier's? Or can only critical assessments be premature?
Well one is already playing and producing at the pro level so that in and of itself makes it fair to have optimism about him.
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Doesn't happen and is why teams have a draft plan cause they know most kids will take 3-4 years in order to be ready(if they ever are), so going bpa there is foolish and unwise imo.
The fact that the kids will take 3-4 years to be ready is WHY you draft the BPA. You have no idea what your organizational needs will be four years from now. Nobody does.

Suppose your team has four goalies in the pipeline (not counting the NHL roster): is that enough? Too many? Too few? How many of them will make the NHL? What are the chances of one becoming a regular starter? Impossible to say.

Suppose you have 8 defencemen in the minors and a few more on the reserve list. You have Tim Erixon, a first-round pick. Does that mean you can write his name in the lineup in ink, and cross off ‘second-pairing D’ from your list of needs? Or you have some undrafted plug named Gio-something. Does that mean you have to run right out and use your 1st-round pick on a defenceman, because obviously that is the only way to acquire a first-pairing guy?

Then you get into forwards – and forwards play so many roles on a team that it’s ludicrous even to guess what they will mature into. One guy drafted 20th overall turns into a goal scorer: great. Another guy drafted 20th turns into a mean, tenacious defensive centre, perfect for the third line: also great. You’re not going to complain about either one. But you’re going to have a lot to complain about if you relied on your 20th-overall pick to become a scorer, and he became that checking centre instead.

Meanwhile, your roster is losing players all the time: age, injury, free agency. Sometimes you just have to cut a veteran loose because he’s not worth his salary, or because what he brings is not what the team needs – you already have too many of the same kind of player. (See: Cammalleri, Mike.) You can’t simply assume that all the players over 30 will be gone in four years (some will still be there) and all players under 30 will stay (some will be gone).

You don’t know what your organizational needs will be in four years’ time.

Nobody does.

Planning for the draft is more a matter of deciding what kind of team you are building, what your organizational philosophy will be; what factor you use as a tiebreaker. There are two players of equal overall talent in the draft: one is a little bigger, the other a little quicker on his feet. It’s a pretty safe bet that L.A. will prefer the bigger one, Detroit will prefer the quicker one: not because they have holes to fill at some particular position, but because of the kind of team each one is.

That’s sound draft planning. It means you take the BPA according to your standards, and that means you know what qualities you value most, what players need to do to play in your system, and you try not to draft players who will not be able to contribute to that.

If the smaller, faster player is a left wing and the bigger one plays D, and L.A. is short a LW this year, that does not mean that they take the LW and ignore the D who fits better with their philosophy. For them, the D is the BPA, and the LW is the player who fills the organizational need. Only a fool would choose the LW in those circumstances – though fools can sometimes get lucky. He’s not going to play for the team this year; they will have to make a trade or sign a free agent, at which point the positional need has been addressed. What they need to do is go on accumulating assets that they can develop and use. Plugging holes along the way is what free agency and trades are for.
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Old 12-27-2014, 02:14 PM   #150
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Klimchuk just had an excellent season last year. He's off to a decent start this year - not where he wants to be, but he's still just over a point per game and is certainly in good position to catch up for the rest of this season. If you read the Klimchuk thread in the back burner, he's been playing primarily on the 2nd line. At the very least he's been consistent - he just hasn't had those huge multi point games yet but he is still getting points in most of his games. Also keep in mind that his team's record is way better when he's in the lineup.

I think getting cut early from the World Junior camp is going to motivate him for the remainder of this season. Just before the Christmas break he had a big 3 point game.

Still think it's too early to say whether or not he is a 3rd liner until he plays pro. He's very good on the powerplay, and he has an excellent shot. He's got the tools to be a solid second line player.
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Old 12-27-2014, 02:24 PM   #151
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Klimchuk fits right into this team's ethos. Under-the-radar, complete 200-foot player who scores big goals, and wins you games.

2 years ago at the U-18s he was on a line with McDavid & Sam Reinhart and they were probably the best line at the tournament. He's an ideal defensive conscience on a scoring line, and he has a great shot.

Writing a prospect off at this stage is what you might class as 'full ######'. Never go full ######, CP.
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No one is writing the guy off. But burying your head in the sand and pretending this big regression in points isn't concerning isn't the right move either.
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Old 12-27-2014, 02:53 PM   #153
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No one is writing the guy off. But burying your head in the sand and pretending this big regression in points isn't concerning isn't the right move either.
What big regression? no matter where I am looking on any stat sheet I don't see it. 23 gp and 25 points. Over a ppg and 5th or 6th in team scoring. not even 10 points back of the team leader in points on the Pats with 8-10 less gp.

I really think your comments and Robaurs are hyperbole.
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74 points in 57 games last year.

25 points in 23 games this year.
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74 points in 57 games last year.

25 points in 23 games this year.
What do you expect? The Pats leader in points has 33 in 31 gp. Klimchuk is on an island comparatively to Petan and Portland.

Hopefully he gets traded and get something similar to work with lie Petan does.
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I expect him to be the best player on his by a long shot.
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Old 12-27-2014, 03:08 PM   #157
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If it's premature to express doubts about Klimchuk's development, then is it premature to express optimism about Poirier's? Or can only critical assessments be premature?
Do you ever give your own thoughts on prospects, or just criticize others opinions? Hard to take a guy seriously when he's just giving the wet blanket routine.
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Old 12-27-2014, 03:20 PM   #158
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No one is writing the guy off. But burying your head in the sand and pretending this big regression in points isn't concerning isn't the right move either.
Have you watched him play or are you just reading stats?
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I expect him to be the best player on his by a long shot.
And whose to say he isn't? Whose to say he isn't the best defeisve forward on that team? The forward providing the most leadership. Energy, etc.

Oh wait, taking a small sample size after an injury is the best way to judge a player.
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Sorry, I was wrong on stats.

Pats leading scorer has 36p in 31 gp. Klimchuk is in fact 6th in team scoring. 11 point differential between the two with an 8gp differential.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Klimchuk even in a couple of weeks will catch up to and maybe even pass the players ahead of him.
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