Cervenka signs 3-year deal with SKA (KHL)

[Northendzone]

So who steps up and replaces his 15. Or so points?

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah we do know how that turned out.

We claimed Comeau off of waivers, which cost us no assets.

He didn't return to 20 goal form, but was good enough to get another contract and then was flipped for a 5th round pick in the upcoming draft.

What Feaster did there was manufacture a 5th round pick out of nothing.

Whoopie.

It's funny how late round picks are disposable when we're giving them away, but when we get one it's extremely valuable.

Every team has moves like this - it's the nature of the game and is nothing to be commended. Teams sign UFAs and they get moved before their contract is up all the time too.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

How can we say there was no potential reward. There was potential reward - that wasn't realized. That's what makes it potential.

Well, to me, it was pretty clear that Cervenka wasn't an NHLer after a few games. He clearly has some offensive talent, but the guy is a poor and slow skater, has no physical game, doesn't go to the hard areas, and clearly has never been forced to play defense in his career. With flaws like that, you need to have elite level skill to even crack an NHL line-up (ie; Kyle Wellwood) and that's hard to find in 26 year olds playing in Europe. That's just poor scouting by the Flames.

Wings signed a similar guy in Damian Brunner and he looks like a top 6 guy going forward.

Ducks signed Viktor Fasth who could be their next starter.

These moves DO pay off sometimes, and a lot of times they don't.

Doesn't mean you stop doing them. Though I also think if you are trying to turn your organization around on the back of these types of moves - you are a fool.

I agree. I just contend that the Flames as an organization have to scout these guys better or it's just a waste of time, money, and the opportunity cost of getting someone else in the line-up. The Flames shouldn't stop trying, but simply bringing over another extreme longshot and pray for a miracle is a negative to the organization in the end.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Weren't a lot of teams interested in Cervenka for several years? Iirc that was the talk at the time.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by JayP

Whoopie.

It's funny how late round picks are disposable when we're giving them away, but when we get one it's extremely valuable.

Every team has moves like this - it's the nature of the game and is nothing to be commended. Teams sign UFAs and they get moved before their contract is up all the time too.

Yeah, and it's funny how late round picks are extremely valuable when we are trading them away, yet then when Feaster manufactures one out of thin air it's, "whoopie".

[StrykerSteve]

Contract is for 5.1M.

http://webhokej24.sk/rusko/khl-aktualne/khl-ska-podpisal-na-tri-roky-romana-cervenku-za-4-miliony-rocn

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

False dichotomy. Agree or disagree with his effort (I disagree personally), but Feaster did try address the centre problem, particularly by going after Richards. Signing Cervenka was not the entire plan, simply one piece. It is disingenuous to try and argue that acquiring Cervenka was done in place of attempting to address the problems.


Personally, I find it hilarious that people are trashing the effort so much. Every team is constantly searching for hidden gems or the guy the other teams missed. Sometimes you get a Cervenka. But sometimes you get a Glencross.

This.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But criticising Feaster for bringing him in is ridiculous.

I would be happy if they brought in the 'best player not in the NHL' every year. Because eventually, one of them will work out. And that would be a free asset and well worth all the failures.

[CampbellsTransgressions]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Contract is for 5.1M.

http://webhokej24.sk/rusko/khl-aktualne/khl-ska-podpisal-na-tri-roky-romana-cervenku-za-4-miliony-rocn

5.1M per?

That's just ridiculous.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah, and it's funny how late round picks are extremely valuable when we are trading them away, yet then when Feaster manufactures one out of thin air it's, "whoopie".

Manufactures one out of thin air - what a riot. Good thing it only took him three years to figure out the same magic trick happens at the trade deadline every year.

If the "reward" of these no risk moves is a late round pick in exchange 1.5 years of replacement level play I'd say it's not much to brag about.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by JayP

Well, to me, it was pretty clear that Cervenka wasn't an NHLer after a few games. He clearly has some offensive talent, but the guy is a poor and slow skater, has no physical game, doesn't go to the hard areas, and clearly has never been forced to play defense in his career. With flaws like that, you need to have elite level skill to even crack an NHL line-up (ie; Kyle Wellwood) and that's hard to find in 26 year olds playing in Europe. That's just poor scouting by the Flames.



I agree. I just contend that the Flames as an organization have to scout these guys better or it's just a waste of time, money, and the opportunity cost of getting someone else in the line-up. The Flames shouldn't stop trying, but simply bringing over another extreme longshot and pray for a miracle is a negative to the organization in the end.

He played well enough early on to warrant an article in the hockey news. Early on enough skill was shown to suggest there might be something there. That same skill is likely what drew nhl interest to start

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

5.1M per?

That's just ridiculous.

The guy was one of the top KHL players before he came over. Not really shocking.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Contract is for 5.1M.

http://webhokej24.sk/rusko/khl-aktualne/khl-ska-podpisal-na-tri-roky-romana-cervenku-za-4-miliony-rocn

Google translate:

KHL: SKA signed for three years Romana Červenka for € 4 million per year

Official Site SKA St. Petersburg informs about signing a three-year contract with Czech forward Roman Cervenka. The Czech team was one of the best players in jersey KHL Avangard Omsk region, but in the summer of 2012 headed to the club Calgary Flames (NHL).

At its premiere it has reached the NHL lockout, which he spent in Slavia Prague and subsequently HC Lev Prague (KHL). In the NHL he played 39 matches of the injury which bothered him, they had 17 points. The club he belonged productivity ninth place. Robin had concluded year contract with Calgary Flames for $ 3,775,000, after this season to become the NHL unrestricted free agent.

The KHL played 110 matches so far the regular season, they had 103 points. The playoff took 32 meetings, which racked up 30 points.

SKA received a few days ago on gambling law Červenka from HC Lev Prague.

According to the agency R-Sport, referring to an unnamed source, should pay Červenka be about 160 million rubles (about 5.1 million. USD, 4 mil. Euros) for the period of the contract. According to the same source as the second highest contract in the KHL after Alexander Radulovovi at CSKA Moscow, where he has a contract until 30.4.2016, Rus should collect 280 million rubles (about 8.9 million. USD, 7 mil. Euros).

According to Robin Sports.ru should collect for three seasons in the SKA total of 480 million rubles (about 15.3 million. USD, 12 million. Euros) before tax.

Source: webhokej24.sk, ska.ru, nhl.com, khl.ru, rsport.ru

Hmmm... toil on the third/fourth line for 10 minutes a game in the NHL? Or stay "home" and make 5.1 million a year in the less physical KHL? Not a tough decision...

EDIT: Apparently it's 5.1 million over three years (or 1.7 per year). Still more than he would have made if he re-signed in the NHL... I wonder what that equals once you take into account taxes etc.

[craigwd]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Now I just need to figure out what to do with this Omsk Cervenka jersey...

Can I have it? For realz Omsk is my favourite KHL team.

[The Swedish Flame]

Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

5.1M per?

That's just ridiculous.

Well, yeah it is. But it's also the KHL so one can't be that surprised.

[FlamesFanStrandedInEDM]

This Sucks!

Made the most of minimal opportunity. Was he a centre? No, but he was a rare skilled player that have been hard to come by for the flames for years.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Google translate:



Hmmm... toil on the third/fourth line for 10 minutes a game in the NHL? Or stay "home" and make 5.1 million a year in the less physical KHL? Not a tough decision...

it's 5.1 million total, not per year

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by JayP

Manufactures one out of thin air - what a riot. Good thing it only took him three years to figure out the same magic trick happens at the trade deadline every year.

If the "reward" of these no risk moves is a late round pick in exchange 1.5 years of replacement level play I'd say it's not much to brag about.

No, that's a secondary reward for a low risk move. The primary reward for a low risk signing is what happens when you get a guy like Giordano.

[OffsideSpecialist]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

it's 5.1 million total, not per year

The article cited earlier stated 4M euros per year, in fact the person you quoted has that stated the part of the article they quoted

[Banner]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

I've stated my reasons for why Cervenka would have had no interests from other teams. Feel free to disagree.

Oh my...

Originally Posted by Tinordi

I can guarantee you no other NHL team was interested in his services. So... does that tell you he's a fringe NHLer?

I believe you do not know what the word guarantee means. If you're able to guarantee that no other NHL team was interested, I would expect to see some kind of proof. All you did was defend your opinion with reasoning, there is no guarantee in that whatsoever.

[minnow]

Failed experiment, nothing gained, not much lost. Best wishes, etc etc.