05-31-2013, 02:25 PM
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#141
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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I'm actually interested to see what the federal government does with this. If they force it through, they likely lose a tonne of votes in BC, possibly enough to tip the next election towards the Liberals.
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05-31-2013, 02:33 PM
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#142
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fotze
Listening to our company's president, the prevailing thought among the long chin cigar smokers is that it is going to be pretty much impossible to build (NEW) lines across both Canada and the US and companies are already preparing for it. Rail is the where everyone is looking now.
A shame they can't just say "no" and not waste 8 years of farting around.
The next big waste of time will be the LPG and Natgas lines to Kitimat that will eventually and inevitably be denied.
The lawyers and 'studies' industries will make some good money though.
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That's why the smart kids in law school are studying Aboriginal rights and land claims.
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05-31-2013, 03:06 PM
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#143
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Crash and Bang Winger
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When I saw that Stockwell day was doing strategy and communication for the BC Liberals; I assumed the liberals' price was to green light the pipeline. Now that they've rejected it, for now, i'm even more curious as to why a lifelong conservative would work for the BC Liberals.
Last edited by smoothpops; 05-31-2013 at 03:35 PM.
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05-31-2013, 03:37 PM
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Norm!
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So why not take the pipeline through the NWT and the Yukon to one of their ports?
Give them the economic benefits.
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05-31-2013, 04:06 PM
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#145
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
So why not take the pipeline through the NWT and the Yukon to one of their ports?
Give them the economic benefits.
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I don't see the land claims issues being better in those regions. There's also not really a route that way without involving Alaska.
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05-31-2013, 04:14 PM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by SebC
Invade BC!
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I'd be down. Where do we sign up?
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05-31-2013, 04:15 PM
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#147
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Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Vancouver
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Route it to Churchill, Manitoba.
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05-31-2013, 04:28 PM
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The history of the McKenzie Valley Joint Review Panel should cause pause to the idea that it would be easy to build a pipeline through the north.
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05-31-2013, 04:39 PM
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wins 10 internets
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: slightly to the left
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fotze
Listening to our company's president, the prevailing thought among the long chin cigar smokers is that it is going to be pretty much impossible to build (NEW) lines across both Canada and the US and companies are already preparing for it. Rail is the where everyone is looking now.
A shame they can't just say "no" and not waste 8 years of farting around.
The next big waste of time will be the LPG and Natgas lines to Kitimat that will eventually and inevitably be denied.
The lawyers and 'studies' industries will make some good money though.
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Which is completely ridiculous, as the chances for spill via rail transportation are exponentially higher than with a pipeline. If environmentalists put as much time into actually researching a topic as they do protesting against it, they might be able to be taken more seriously
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05-31-2013, 04:44 PM
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Join Date: May 2004
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Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothpops
When I saw that Stockwell day was doing strategy and communication for the BC Liberals; I assumed the liberals' price was to green light the pipeline. Now that they've rejected it, for now, i'm even more curious as to why a lifelong conservative would work for the BC Liberals.
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Despite their name, the BC Liberals are a conservative party.
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05-31-2013, 05:14 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada!
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Ive read a few times over the past month or two that the NWT and Yukon have both been kicking the tires on pipelines running from Alberta. From the sounds of things I think it is the better route to go. Cut BC out of the equation. Then BC can claim its moral victory while also not seeing a dime or any of the economic benefit.
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05-31-2013, 05:21 PM
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tromboner
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
So why not take the pipeline through the NWT and the Yukon to one of their ports?
Give them the economic benefits.
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Something about ice, probably.
(I'm assuming that BC has a better ports, particularly for winter use.)
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05-31-2013, 05:25 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by SebC
Something about ice, probably.
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Talk about a self-solving problem. 
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05-31-2013, 05:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda
Which is completely ridiculous, as the chances for spill via rail transportation are exponentially higher than with a pipeline. If environmentalists put as much time into actually researching a topic as they do protesting against it, they might be able to be taken more seriously
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Interesting point, have any research that shows that there are more rail spills than pipeline?
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05-31-2013, 05:27 PM
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Originally Posted by MarchHare
Despite their name, the BC Liberals are a conservative party.
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I can never keep up with their constant shifts. I wonder why the BC Conservatives are so ignored by Manning, Day, etc...sine 2009 they've been gaining support and momentum, so this election would have been the time for conservatives to switch and pledge allegiance to Conservatives and let Clarke sink in her scandals/mess.
My previous question still sorta stands, as Clark worked for Chretien and her Hubby was pretty vocal about his dislike of the federal Conservatives in 2008, so why help them?
Last edited by smoothpops; 05-31-2013 at 05:31 PM.
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05-31-2013, 05:30 PM
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#156
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Deep South
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Send the crude over land by rail, train after train after train. No environmental concerns there. Oh wait ...
The railways don't need the approval of anyone and BC is not being reasonable so you get your product to market by rail. It may not be ideal, but, BC be damned.
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05-31-2013, 05:48 PM
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#157
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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I was reading somewhere that BC would only see about 8% of the revenue from this. Makes sense why they wouldn't want to assume the environmental risk.
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05-31-2013, 06:21 PM
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Yes the issue is lock in. We know a couple of things. In order to limit our emissions exceeding 450 PPM we need to reduce absolute fossil fuel consumption starting now. Investing in new infrastructure that supports expanded production makes it at that much more difficult to achieve because that new infrastructure needs to pay itself off. It will make the challenge of reducing emissions at that much more difficult because there's huge financial incentives to avoid stranded capital.
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05-31-2013, 06:23 PM
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People in the fossil fuel sector need to understand that we're in a new paradigm now. The salad days are over. Fossil fuels (especially high carbon intensity ones in the oil sands) are entering a phase of long term decline, senescence. Carbon policy is a certainty at this point. Smart fossil fuel companies/investors will be the ones returning their profits through dividends, not reinvesting them in new reserve development.
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