Now that Colorado has matched...

[moon]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

A first and a third and what amounts to 14 months at 9.5M for RoR is not 'overpaying', and unless you've not been paying attention, without drafting your own centres, acquiring them from outside the organization takes a MASSIVE overpayment.

Overpaying in terms of the contracts. 10 million over two years is too much for O'Reilly.

[moon]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Of course, but you don't make this move to make you a contender this year. You sign O'Reilly because he's 22 and fills an organizational hole that's existed since 1995.

Who said this year?

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

We aren't lacking in lower line centers who can play a few minutes a game.

Really? What are their names?

[Winnie]

An NHL GM with solid knowledge about a player's worth and potential makes the decision that a player is worth a 1st and 3rd rounder in next year's draft and a good chunk of cash.

Another NHL GM with even more knowledge about a the same player's worth and potential makes the decision that, yes indeed, he is worth a 1st and 3rd rounder in next year's draft and a good chunk of cash.

Evidence that both NHL GMs are complete idiots, or that the Avs were low balling and got called out? Hmmmmm...

[dino7c]

obviously the Avs would rather have him at that price than have a 1st and 3rd...tells you something

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Winnie

An NHL GM with solid knowledge about a player's worth and potential makes the decision that a player is worth a 1st and 3rd rounder in next year's draft and a good chunk of cash.

Another NHL GM with even more knowledge about a the same player's worth and potential makes the decision that, yes indeed, he is worth a 1st and 3rd rounder in next year's draft and a good chunk of cash.

Evidence that both NHL GMs are complete idiots, or that the Avs were low balling and got called out? Hmmmmm...

Pretty obvious it was the latter.

[switzsvensation]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Now they need to turn,their attention towards not trading away draft picks but collecting them. I was not a fan of this move, so I'm happy that this failed. This is yet another attempt by this team to paint over the writing on the wall.

This is basically my feeling as well. When I first heard of the O'Reilly, I wasn't happy at all. But, after reading the offer sheet thread, I kind of grew to accept it. I get why the Flames made the move since it addressed a major need. And, O'Reilly is still young and someone that could have grown with the Flames moving forward. However, I didn't like the idea of trading the picks (which the 1st could be very good) AND having to pay the salary of $6.5M next year, with an equally big QO after that. I like O'Reilly but I just don't think he's a 1st line center. In my opinion, he's a very solid #2 center and you don't pay a second line caliber center that much money. In the end, I'm a little relieved that Colorado matched the offer sheet.

However, I'm scared what's going to happen now I hope desperation isn't setting in and they're about to trade futures away for stop gap measures. I think they should be doing the opposite and start moving out players for younger guys, prospects and picks. But, as I've said before, I don't think the owners will allow that and that's unfortunate.

[Winnie]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Pretty obvious it was the latter.

Not to everyone apparently.

[Flamenfame]

So Feaster thinks O'reilly is a franchise player. Im starting to understand Jankowski pick now

[browna]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

You can put me in the group that is very scared after Feasters comments.

Have no problem with trying to get O'Reilly, but like Feaster said the rest of the soluions seemed like a huge overpayment.

I have no idea what the overpayment is but a 1st and Gaudreau seem about right.

Hope he does nothing silly.

I don't think they really have a Plan B concocted to get too concerned about.

Calling O'Reilly a franchise player is a stretch, and par for the course with Feaster...as is making sure everyone knew that he wanted to be a Flame when he signed the sheet, as if it was going to make the fanbase feel better about being oh-so-close.

With that now done, its time for him to start moving towards another plan.
But, last time he went on TV and got fired up and talked about making changes in 48 hrs in Feb of last, we heard crickets, so the chances of pulling the covers off an immediate, comparable-to-O'Reilly plan B, is slim.

At least this time he talked about the trade route being too steep; then he had this idea over the last 24h or so which abruptly has gotten shot down and now its back to that original drawing board that proved fruitless to this point...before then 20 seconds later talking about supposedly being a tiger on the prowl.

He's shown his hand that the first round pick can be had, so he may get some interested GM's now that that is on the table, but outside of that, he's back to trying to pry someone loose from some team...he'll have to wait as other teams start to sink or swim in the standings over the next 4-5ish weeks before the trade deadline, including his own, to see if the offers get any better IMO.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by browna

I don't think they really have a Plan B concocted to get too concerned about.

Calling O'Reilly a franchise player is a stretch, and par for the course with Feaster...as is making sure everyone knew that he wanted to be a Flame when he signed the sheet, as if it was going to make the fanbase feel better about being oh-so-close.

With that now done, its time for him to start moving towards another plan.
But, last time he went on TV and got fired up and talked about making changes in 48 hrs in Feb of last, we heard crickets, so the chances of pulling the covers off an immediate, comparable-to-O'Reilly plan B, is slim.

At least this time he talked about the trade route being too steep; then he had this idea over the last 24h or so which abruptly has gotten shot down and now its back to that original drawing board that proved fruitless to this point...before then 20 seconds later talking about supposedly being a tiger on the prowl.

He's shown his hand that the first round pick can be had, so he may get some interested GM's now that that is on the table, but outside of that, he's back to trying to pry someone loose from some team...he'll have to wait as other teams start to sink or swim in the standings over the next 4-5ish weeks before the trade deadline, including his own, to see if the offers get any better IMO.

Good post. My worry is that i got a feeling that Feasters job might be on the line and he will do something drastic to try and save it.

I don't like ownerships mandate but Feaster accepted it and it looks like he will fail unless he can make a huge change. I dont think ownership mandate will change, but they might look to get someone else to give it a go. If so, look for the new guy to fail also.

[Roof-Daddy]

I could be wrong, but I see no reason why Feaster's job should be in jeopardy.

The guy inherited this mess, because the regime that came before him drafted one elite player (at the time) in ten years, and then traded him for a steaming pile of garbage.

Our biggest roster weakness is lack of elite talent down the middle, and Feaster has tried repeatedly to fix it, at least three times now that we know of. (Richards, Cervenka, O'Reilly)

It's nearly an impossible problem to fix, without drafting and developing the solution and that takes time......more than two years anyways.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I could be wrong, but I see no reason why Feaster's job should be in jeopardy.

The guy inherited this mess, because the regime that came before him drafted one elite player (at the time) in ten years, and then traded him for a steaming pile of garbage.

Our biggest roster weakness is lack of elite talent down the middle, and Feaster has tried repeatedly to fix it, at least three times now that we know of. (Richards, Cervenka, O'Reilly)

It's nearly an impossible problem to fix, without drafting and developing the solution and that takes time......more than two years anyways.

I don't disagree with you, but you got to think if the flames are in the bottom 7 that someone will have to pay.

If ownership changes there mandate they are basically saying they were wrong. I don't see them owning up to that. Nor do i think they want to change the mandate.

They can't fire a coach again, not this soon.

I don't see ownership going to Iggy to tell him to lift his NMC.

They are not going to fire the goose that lays them gold business wise (Ken King)

The only one that is left is Feaster. Feaster accepted the challenge and spent a lot of their money doing it. I could see him being the fall guy.

[FlamesAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I could be wrong, but I see no reason why Feaster's job should be in jeopardy.

The guy inherited this mess, because the regime that came before him drafted one elite player (at the time) in ten years, and then traded him for a steaming pile of garbage.

Our biggest roster weakness is lack of elite talent down the middle, and Feaster has tried repeatedly to fix it, at least three times now that we know of. (Richards, Cervenka, O'Reilly)

It's nearly an impossible problem to fix, without drafting and developing the solution and that takes time......more than two years anyways.

I saw ROR as a last ditch effort at "rebuilding on the fly". 22 years old and would have had an immediate impact on the teams success now as well as presumably years to come. Now that we missed out I really don't see many other options other than to blow it up.

I've given the rebuild on the fly a chance but we're really starting to back ourselves into a corner. We have lots of goalies in the system but no clear cut successor for Kipper. We've made attempts at acquiring top end C's but they haven't worked out. It's reached the point where we now have 1 natural 2nd/3rd line NHL centre on our roster and another injured C who looked to be emerging but we still aren't 100% sure what we have. We have few tradable assets and most of them we are reluctant to part with. We are right up against the salary cap.

Not meant to be a doom and gloom post or to bash Feaster, it's just how I see things after today. I said when Feaster got here I'd give him until this trade deadline before I really made a decision on how well he's managed the team so far. All things considered he's done well but I'm really curious to see what happens come deadline day. I also realize its not just him who is pulling the strings as far as the direction of the team is concerned.

I hope management and ownership sees the team for what it is and we are sellers at the deadline. I worry this wont be the case again though.

[The Voice of Reason]

I get the same level of excitement out of Feaster almost signing players as I do for almost winning games.

A loss is a loss, regardless of how you want to sell it to me.

[jayswin]

If I've learned one thing in the last year or so, it's that Browna REALLY dislikes feaster. My lord.

The funny thing is, Browna has always been the most defensive of Flames management over the years of any poster, so I guess it sticks out more from him.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by flameswin

If I've learned one thing in the last year or so, it's that Browna REALLY dislikes feaster. My lord.

The funny thing is, Browna has always been the most defensive of Flames management over the years of any poster, so I guess it sticks out more from him.

In the future I believe we're going to look back on the Feaster era as a waste of time, and emblematic of a time when ownership couldn't come to terms with how bad things really were. He's not going to be the one who fixes this, he's just delaying the hiring of the person who does.

[Roof-Daddy]

So reading over on that other board, apparently the Flames and Avs talked trade regarding O'Reilly before the offer sheet happened. Makes sense, and probably was the case.

Given the Avs obvious tight purse strings, and providing the offer sheet didn't cause irreparable damage in Avs/Flames relations, AND now that the Avs have O'Reilly back in the fold, I wonder if the two teams continue talks but shift their focus to Stastny?

If so, please Lord don't let our first be involved.

[nik-]

Why don't we do like other teams and draft our center and not bend over for one in a trade. We need to get over the obsession with other team's centers. We have an opportunity this year to trade players for a second 1st and try and package it with our likely top 10 and move up to take our own guy. If Drouin goes 3rd, I can see us moving into Barkov, Lindholm, Monahan territory.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Winnie

An NHL GM with solid knowledge about a player's worth and potential makes the decision that a player is worth a 1st and 3rd rounder in next year's draft and a good chunk of cash.

Another NHL GM with even more knowledge about a the same player's worth and potential makes the decision that, yes indeed, he is worth a 1st and 3rd rounder in next year's draft and a good chunk of cash.

Evidence that both NHL GMs are complete idiots, or that the Avs were low balling and got called out? Hmmmmm...

O'Reilly's rights have been available for the right price. You have to distinguish two things: what Colorado hopes they could get for him in a trade and what they were willing to pay for him in salary. It's no more complicated than Colorado saying that they won't let him walk for a price that's below what they'd trade him for. Doesn't mean that Colorado has been low balling O'Reilly in their contract offers. O'Reilly just forced their hand by signing the offer sheet.