[News] Flames claim Joey MacDonald

[MolsonInBothHands]

If a real center, with some size and skill, could be had for a package that included Kiprusoff, and Irvine and MacDonald shared the load of the remainder of the season, Detroit style, I could actually live with that, providing Ramo is the real deal.

It would be a helluva gamble, but if it fails, it is a short, almost painless, season, with a some interesting options at the draft.

[The Yen Man]

Islanders seem to be on a goalie collecting phase lately. Plus, isn't Kipper's cap hit higher than his actual paid next year? Kipper to Islanders for Nino Neider-hard-to-spell-last-name.

[flamesaresmokin]

I get the need for the guy as Taylor will likely be going back to the Heat. Unless kipper is going to be out for another two weeks at minimum how can anyone expect Macdonald to perform when he hasn't played a game in close to a year?

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by fotze

Another end to a crappy 1st rounder for the Flames. Irving never could put 2+ good performances together.

Now to the Joey Jo Jo Junior MacDonald era.

Irving is just another reminder to me that I cannot see any other way for this franchise to succeed in the future buy not being terrible this year.

Calgary cannot be allowed to draft beyond the top 8 or else trade the pick.

His first 3 games were all absolutely fantastic. And then his 5th and 6th games were fantastic and his 7th was good. The team just never played in front of him to give him wins.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Are people actually suggesting Cammalleri was placed on IR as an excuse to bench him? You don't place someone on IR to bench them, it was done because he won't be able to play until at least Friday due to injury.

Ignorance and overreaction, at least on the part of one poster.


The same sort of ignorance and overreaction we used to laugh at Canuck fans over. Those who live in glass houses...

[browna]

OT:
Does #9 come down from the rafters for Joey to suit up in it? (Yes, I know Joey has an "a")

I remember vaugely when the Flames traded away 2nd round pick Lane MacDonald in the late 80's, CHQR got lit up by frantic old women, thinking Lanny had gotten traded and they had to reassure everyone that it wasn't Lanny.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

What is wrong with you? Why are half he posters on this forum so god damn confrontational?

Half the people here hope the Flames fail so some perceived notion they believe about Brent Sutter or Feaster or Iginla can be proven right.

You guys are a joke. Worst fan base in the league.

The fact that people actually believe this astounds me.

Having an opinion that isn't overtly positive towards the future, doesn't blame the usual scapegoats for all our failures, or is critical to players with nostalgia factor on their side apparently means you want this team to lose and you aren't a real fan.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Excuse me? We had this converstaion about Iggy in the summer and yes you said that if Iggy was traded you would lose interest in the flames for a couple of years.

Find a quote.

If you are referring to what I think you are referring to, I said that one thing about being a fan and liking a team is an emotional bond you have with it. Being a fan isn't about demanding wins. Iginla represents himself like no other player in the league. He is easy to cheer for (though many of you have turned his positive qualities into negatives). I will always cheer for the Flames, regardless of who we put on the ice or behind the bench. I'm just glad we've had Iginla representing this team for the last dozen years, and not the Sedins.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

How do you know he's not the real deal? He's the best goaltender in the second best league in the world.

I forgot, why is Ramo the best goaltender int he 2nd best league in the world? Did he win the 2nd best league in the worlds' Vezina?

[Fischy13]

Kipper faked an injury as he heard rumblings he was getting traded, without the NTC, he has to rely on that. I mean really, Kipper had never been injured, and now that his NTC is gone, he gets an injury......Thanks Kipper you've been great

[tvp2003]

I'm confused.

1. Kipper looking like he'll be back on Wednesday. Assuming we don't trade him, why bring in McDonald if Irving is a decent backup.

2. If the Flames have no confidence in Irving, why re-sign him? It's not like his play has totally fallen apart since then; his past two starts, if anything, show that he can at least be a servicable backup.

3. If Irving only got two games to show himself, Danny Taylor won't get a sniff at the NHL. Signing McDonald confirms it. So why did we burn a contract by signing him in the first place? Wasn't McDonald available last week? Couldn't we bring in Broissoit on an emergency contract to hold the door open against the Blue Jackets?

4. If the Flames have that little faith in Irving, how bad must have Karlsson been in training camp?

Unless Irving tweaked a groin in Vancouver making all of those acrobatic saves (or Taylor stubbed his toe sitting on the bench), this makes little sense to me at all...

EDIT: Okay, so McDonald was just put on waivers yesterday. I guess my point still stands about the Flames having no faith in Irving (and Taylor); unless they think that McDonald is such a better upgrade than Irving in the #2 spot...

[Imported_Aussie]

Is Irving appealing enough as a throw in with Butler to upgrade on D?
Or as a throw in with a forward to upgrade there?
Is Kipper actually out longer term than these reports would lead us to believe?

If the answer to all of those questions is NO, then I don't like this pickup. If Feaster was doing his job, being connected to GMs around the league, he would have known McDonald would have been available, and could have swung one of those "future considerations" deals for him. Instead we sign Taylor to open a door for two games and burn the contract that was freed up in trading Karlsson.
Ugh

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Banner

Irving wasn't the reason the flames lost on saturday. You can argue how bad he is and how soft the goals were, but the team in front of him that decided to not show up were why they lost.

Irving is by no means Kiprusoff, but he is a decent goalie. He can get you a win if the whole team actually makes an effort and does not leave him to dry. However, to expect him to be able to win for a team that plays majority of the game in their own end is unreasonable.

It's not like he killed any flames momentum by letting in those goals. The flames had zero momentum all night and let the canucks use irving as shooting practice.

for the 10th time i never said Irving was the reason why we lost. But he has looked not like an NHL calibre goalie.

The timing of his goals are terrible including the one in columbus.

and yes they were. Flames kill off that PP against the Canucks and it's a different game. He doesn't let in that weak tying goal 20 seconds after Cevenka puts up his first and we blow out Columbus that nite.

[kehatch]

This isn't a surprise. The Flames allowed Irving to be a third string goalie in Abbotsford and has him on waivers a few weeks ago. Clearly they don't have confidence in him. Meanwhile Kipper hasn't played well and suffered an injury. Meaning they need a backup they trust in case Kipper isn't gtg.

People want our prospects to succeed. But Irving has done NOTHING to suggest he will be a competent NHL goalie. His numbers in the AHL are consistently underwhelming and he keeps losing his job. He has been shakey in the NHL. I am not sure why people think that will somehow translate to an NHL starting goalie.

[flamesaresmokin]

Originally Posted by JayP

The fact that people actually believe this astounds me.

Having an opinion that isn't overtly positive towards the future, doesn't blame the usual scapegoats for all our failures, or is critical to players with nostalgia factor on their side apparently means you want this team to lose and you aren't a real fan.

If everyone just tows the line and blames Brent Sutter and Jay Bow for this team's failures things must be easier to deal with then actually talking about the team sans bias.

Worst yet, the Flames are now seemingly resting their hopes this year with a mediocre roster anchored by irving and macdonald if Kipper can't return soon. If this was "something special" as King was boasting a few weeks ago I'd like to know what his version of poop is.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

I'm confused.

1. Kipper looking like he'll be back on Wednesday. Assuming we don't trade him, why bring in McDonald if Irving is a decent backup.

2. If the Flames have no confidence in Irving, why re-sign him? It's not like his play has totally fallen apart since then; his past two starts, if anything, show that he can at least be a servicable backup.

3. If Irving only got two games to show himself, Danny Taylor won't get a sniff at the NHL. Signing McDonald confirms it. So why did we burn a contract by signing him in the first place? Wasn't McDonald available last week? Couldn't we bring in Broissoit on an emergency contract to hold the door open against the Blue Jackets?

4. If the Flames have that little faith in Irving, how bad must have Karlsson been in training camp?

Unless Irving tweaked a groin in Vancouver making all of those acrobatic saves (or Taylor stubbed his toe sitting on the bench), this makes little sense to me at all...

All are very valid concerns and questions. Sometimes you just have to eschew logic and blindly place your trust in the rock solid plan.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

I'm confused.

1. Kipper looking like he'll be back on Wednesday. Assuming we don't trade him, why bring in McDonald if Irving is a decent backup.

2. If the Flames have no confidence in Irving, why re-sign him? It's not like his play has totally fallen apart since then; his past two starts, if anything, show that he can at least be a servicable backup.

3. If Irving only got two games to show himself, Danny Taylor won't get a sniff at the NHL. Signing McDonald confirms it. So why did we burn a contract by signing him in the first place? Wasn't McDonald available last week? Couldn't we bring in Broissoit on an emergency contract to hold the door open against the Blue Jackets?

4. If the Flames have that little faith in Irving, how bad must have Karlsson been in training camp?

Unless Irving tweaked a groin in Vancouver making all of those acrobatic saves (or Taylor stubbed his toe sitting on the bench), this makes little sense to me at all...

Explanation:

Flames organization feels Irving was a competent backup for a goalie that would never let him play. If he doesn't see the ice, how much damage could he do? The plan was to play kipper most, if not all, of the games this season in an attempt to make the playoffs (win now). Once it came apparent that Irving could not carry the mail as a replacement starter (win now), Calgary went and did what they could to acquire a bona fide backup/replacement starter in an effort to get as many points between now and Kipper's return as possible (win now).

Echoing another statement, Karlsson must have been seven shades of shiatzu to have been excused so indelicately in favour of Irving, the odd-man out in Abortsford.

Calgary is doing everything they can to position themselves as playoff contenders at the deadline. Admirable, perhaps, but ultimately myopic.

[dammage79]

Personally, I am not saying Irving is going to be a full time starter in the long run. It is possible of course. He is only 24. But to ride out this season he would be fine. Adding Ramo next season puts a major log jam in the crease though with Irving, MacDonald and Ramo. Again all signs to me and maybe me alone, point to a Kipper trade. Just makes zero sense to have 4 out of 49 contracts being eaten up by goaltenders with another on the way after this season. Add Ortio to the group that will be in the AHL next year as well. The Stable is LOADED. also, Broissoit should be turning pro next year too right?

Next year could look like a terrible log jam if Broissoit makes the jump:

AHL: Brust, Taylor, Ortio, Irving, Broissoit.

NHL: MacDonald, Ramo, Possibly Kipper, Irving.

[Banner]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

for the 10th time i never said Irving was the reason why we lost. But he has looked not like an NHL calibre goalie.

The timing of his goals are terrible including the one in columbus.

and yes they were. Flames kill off that PP against the Canucks and it's a different game. He doesn't let in that weak tying goal 20 seconds after Cevenka puts up his first and we blow out Columbus that nite.

How can you be so sure it would be a different game if they killed the Nucks PP? That's purely your speculation. The flames were dead in the first period against Van, despite getting a goal and Irving not letting anything in.

How exactly do you know we would've blown out Columbus? Ever though they decided to not get blown out and actually try to win?

[davidbjordan]

perhaps brust is signing with someone and irving/taylor are to be the ahl tandem (having irving get pounded behind the bad play of the flames can't be good for confidence either)