For the first half of that i was thinking it was a This Hour Has 22 Minutes parody. That was a laughably bad acting job trying to appear outraged wwith his canned speech.
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Maybe the original reporter realized how damaging this was to precious Justin and tried to bury it in an archive never to see the light of day, but some one else found it realized that it was uh news and put it out there.
Maybe the Liberal's and Justin tried to bribe the guy to keep it a secret but because the Liberal's are pretty much broke the check bounced and the reporter in a fit of rage called the sun and got paid to release it.
Conspiracies can happen on both sides.
Of course it can. It just happened to the Wildrose when the PCs no doubt held back the clips on some of their more unsavory candidates (Leech, Huntsperger) to use them at the most effective time. If anyone has seen or read "Game Change", it gives a pretty good look into the goings on of a campaign. The McCain campaign was sitting on Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers for a while (McCain didn't personally want to even use Wright because of the racism fears), and only used them when it was benefically (or they thought it was anyways) to their campaign.
Simply put, the game is the game. Never has been clean, never will be. This is politics.
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I find it hard to believe in this day and age that someone wasn't sitting on this for sometime. Two years and absolutelty nobody notices it until now? Not with the internet. Obviously using it when Trudeau isn't anything of note is a waste of a good soundbite to attack him and the Liberals with. Strangely though it seems premature to even be using this, as it makes more sense to save this for closer to the Liberal leadership decision to really hurt him. Instead they need it now to ensure they don't lose this seat that they thought was a gimme.
I find it difficult to believe that the CPC would waste something this good and juicy on a single bi-election that changes nothing.
Thats why I believe that the CPC party had nothing to do with this news story... and this isn't the only negative Liberal story out there.. lets not forget Dave McGuinty's scornful comments.
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I dunno, I was pretty upset at that Layton smear job, but these comments of his kinda piss me off. 2010 wasn't that long ago, and why would his viewpoints change?
It does kinda remind me of the Liberal party at the end of their rule like the article suggests. Not a good feeling.
Like Kavy I am looking for reasons to like the Liberal party because of some of the new bills Harper has introduced, but this sure doesn't help.
If it was the first time we'd heard this kind of moronic garbage from Truedeau you could put it towards political inexperience, trust fund issues and outright stupidity.
But this isn't dissimilar to his whole Conservative hidden agenda booga googa if the Conservatives continue to get mandates maybe Quebec should separate and I would go with them junk.
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"I always say that if I ever believed Canada was really the Canada of Stephen Harper and we were going against abortion and going against gay marriage, and we were going backward in 10,000 different ways, maybe I'd think of wanting to make Quebec a country,'' he said Sunday.
There's a pattern to Trudeau, and the fact that he arrogantly comes out and says things are being taken out of context and then blaming the Sun Media chain for his woes is hilarious at best.
I really want a relevant opposition, but a Liberal Party under Trudeau isn't that. They need to sit back and be smart and look at the leadership candidates that can maybe fix the Liberal's and not drive them over a cliff because he believes that he's a pre crowned king.
In other words, Trudeau has nothing to offer besides his oh so cool hair. and his name, The Liberal party really needs to divorce itself from the past and not re-marry it.
My bet is that the Conservatives have more fear if Marc Garneau (sp?) or someone like that takes the leadership, they're probably happy if a moron like Trudeau takes the reigns.
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well that seals it, if he gets the Liberal nomination then there's no way i'm voting in the next election. what a grade A ######bag. godamnit why can't we get just 1 decent center-left politician in this country to run for PM. i'm sick of the conservatives and Harper's backwards views on social issues, but i'm even more sick of the Liberals inability to find even one electable member in their party
I remember watching this before and year he comes across as idiotic. Hey Justin who closed a major loop hole facing Gay Marriage and who strategically killed the abortion debate. Oh yeah it was our current Prime Minister.
All of this crap is just more hidden agenda crap.
Well Justin clearly I believe your hidden agenda is breaking up this country, your hidden agenda is clearly to take away the rights of Albertan's and to enslave us to feed Ontario.
Booga booga booga.
If anything what pisses off the Liberal's and the upper echelon morons in the Liberal Party is that Harper has pretty much governed as a centrist and hasn't been socially regressive. It also frightens the Liberals that the Conservatives have done an amazing job of taking away the Immigrant vote something that the Libs believed was there's no matter what.
Oh and Justin when you talk about yourself in the third person you wound like a pro wrestler or a grade a ######.
CaptainCrunch has spoken.
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Could he possibly come across as more of a doosh in that video? Worst acting job ever, it's like a movie trying to be serious but comes across as a bad comedy.
As not a close follower of the ins and out of day to day politics, but it took about 10 seconds for me to dismiss this guy, once again, as a drama queen. The message after that first impression is basically moot for many people.
Not sure the context that this talk in Q&A in Parliament was taken, but that rehearsed speech had many, including the lady on the left, biting their tongue.
He's trying too hard in this case to make some dramatic moment out of just another day in the year on Parliament hill. Planning out a speech with the facial expressions and pauses for effect, sounded and looked more like some of the nut jobs that used to rant by the stairs in Mac Hall back in the day, many of who (Ezra Levant excluded) were taking theater in school and cared more about practicing the delivery in front of people for their studies than understanding or caring about the political message coming out of their lips.
Say what you want about his dad, of whom he was trying so hard to emulate in this situation, so he could look back and say that this was one of his defining moments...his dad picked much more poignant and crucial times and on larger stages to try and deliver a message like this, and, was natural in his impassioned delivery, not contrived and fabricated as this clearly is.
He had his misteps, he had a lot of misteps but he never came across as a utter crying moron.
I didn't like PET except for one time during the FLQ crisis, I don't think he was a man of great integrity, I questioned his vision for this country and I believe he was a diversive force in this country. But the man was at least to an extent had leadership skills and brains.
His son is a trust fund baby and comes across as a spoiled brat in that interview. But its common of people who think they are smarter then they actually are. And believe that he's so important that people will hang onto his every word, find one key statement and forget the rest of the blather.
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Naw he is just young for a leader and learning the ropes... Saying unguarded #### from time to time, its not going to end his career.
Harper lost atlantic Canada for a decade when he was younger saying they have a culture of defeat (dunno how well remembered that was) among many other missteps. He 's gone on to get somewhat smarter and had a fine career.
To me trotting out things people said in the past is not a mirror of who they are today, its just politics as usual.
Can't blames the Conservatives for doing it but the main drama queens are the ones making it out like a couple bad decisions mean Trudeau is 100 percent an idiot.
By those standards you've gotta spend a lot of time self-loathing.
Naw he is just young for a leader and learning the ropes... Saying unguarded #### from time to time, its not going to end his career.
Harper lost atlantic Canada for a decade when he was younger saying they have a culture of defeat (dunno how well remembered that was) among many other missteps. He 's gone on to get somewhat smarter and had a fine career.
To me trotting out things people said in the past is not a mirror of who they are today, its just politics as usual.
Can't blames the Conservatives for doing it but the main drama queens are the ones making it out like a couple bad decisions mean Trudeau is 100 percent an idiot.
By those standards you've gotta spend a lot of time self-loathing.
You can't teach smart. This is the second time in a short period of time that these views have come out.
Its not like these were statements from 10 years ago. There are two inflammatory in a short period of time
Has Trudeau actually stood out and done anything memorable in Parliament I can't recall anything.
you can usually see who is going to be a leader and who is not very quickly in politics.
Lets be frank, our mayor is incredibly inexperienced in politics, and he's been decent. Klein was incredible in his inexperience.
You could argue that Harper was a pretty heavy political mover and shaker even when he first got into politics.
Truedeau is pretty much being exposed as a guy without substance or brains.
He's not being exposed as an inexperienced politician.
I would hope that moderate Liberal's cringe when he speaks, but then again the DM stuff might be showing that the more radical elements in the Liberal party are taking roots.
The Liberal's are a party that's been shifting from centrist to the left in a very NDP manner since they lost Paul Martin, the problem is that the NDP does left far better and are eating the Liberal support base among the lefties. The Conservatives are devouring their immigrant voter base.
The Liberal's really need to get pummeled in the next election if Trudeau wins the leadership, I'm talking two seat territory here, that way the reformist elements in the party can bounce out the red Liberals
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I find it difficult to believe that the CPC would waste something this good and juicy on a single bi-election that changes nothing.
Thats why I believe that the CPC party had nothing to do with this news story... and this isn't the only negative Liberal story out there.. lets not forget Dave McGuinty's scornful comments.
Again, I think it speaks to their fear of losing this seat. Locke is close enough that if a large enough chunk of undecides or Turner supporters realize he's the only one who can win, they will vote for him. They specifical need the Liberal to look bad here. The Green and NDP realistically have no chance. McGunity's comments are nowhere near as damaging because he's irelevant nationally while Trudeau is arguably the Liberal leadership frontrunner at this point. Going after him potentially makes a larger dent in Locke's hopes just by association. (He was even in town this week)
More than anything, losing the seat may seem like nothing, but its about perception. The CPC cannot be seen losing a seat in their stronghold. If they do, this anti-Alberta stuff gets knocked right off the front page and becomes about is the CPC vulnerable going forward. If nothing else it forces them to reconsider their current approach, because if they start losing seats in Calgary, obviously they are in deep trouble.
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So I'm going to go back to something mentioned earlier in the thread about how the vast majority of either Westerners or CPC supporters would be all for kicking Quebec out.
I have a different take on it, perhaps those people might just want Quebec treated the same as all the other provinces. Instead of the seemingly preferential treatment they get in any number of ways.
Its like when you have kids...if you treat one of them way better than your other kids, those other kids will notice.
Justin would be an excellent premier of Quebec. I've heard him interviewed many times on Quebec issues and he's always impressive. He smashes the PQ every chance he gets.
But once he leaves the borders of Quebec, he's a lost little boy out of touch with today's issues.
You can't teach smart. This is the second time in a short period of time that these views have come out.
Its not like these were statements from 10 years ago. There are two inflammatory in a short period of time
Has Trudeau actually stood out and done anything memorable in Parliament I can't recall anything.
you can usually see who is going to be a leader and who is not very quickly in politics.
Lets be frank, our mayor is incredibly inexperienced in politics, and he's been decent. Klein was incredible in his inexperience.
You could argue that Harper was a pretty heavy political mover and shaker even when he first got into politics.
Truedeau is pretty much being exposed as a guy without substance or brains.
He's not being exposed as an inexperienced politician.
I would hope that moderate Liberal's cringe when he speaks, but then again the DM stuff might be showing that the more radical elements in the Liberal party are taking roots.
The Liberal's are a party that's been shifting from centrist to the left in a very NDP manner since they lost Paul Martin, the problem is that the NDP does left far better and are eating the Liberal support base among the lefties. The Conservatives are devouring their immigrant voter base.
The Liberal's really need to get pummeled in the next election if Trudeau wins the leadership, I'm talking two seat territory here, that way the reformist elements in the party can bounce out the red Liberals
Its not like Trudeau himself is going to shape their platform. There will be a team and they will position themselves as centrists because its politically convienient. Any party that wants to win knows that and does it. Its exactly what Harper did, was more extreme when he was younger and positioned himself more and more moderate. And he was the opposite of polished in his youth. Awkward and often angry in interviews, much worse than Trudeau IMO interview ability wise. He learned and got better.
The thing is, there are certain issues like abortion, gun control and marijuana where the Conservatives won't touch the majority point of view just on principles, so unless our society gets more religious or conservative in a hurry, I think the Liberals will out flank them in the race to the centre. I don't buy that Trudeau will run on a super lefty platform strategically, I think thats old people fearing his Dad.
As for him being dumb, well he may be, I don't think that but I don't know it any more than you do. I've made many decisions and said many things I look back on as dbaggish and I wouldn't be defined as dumb by conventional standards. I learn from peoples reactions and the consequences, get stronger and move on.
So I'm going to go back to something mentioned earlier in the thread about how the vast majority of either Westerners or CPC supporters would be all for kicking Quebec out.
I have a different take on it, perhaps those people might just want Quebec treated the same as all the other provinces. Instead of the seemingly preferential treatment they get in any number of ways.
Its like when you have kids...if you treat one of them way better than your other kids, those other kids will notice.
Personally I just want a government that's not afraid to say no to Quebec. I don't really want the belle province to leave.
I think equalization does have to be balanced.
I think when Quebec comes out with demands for more money, that the feds have to be unfraid to say no and force them to actually look at their budgets.
The language laws and all that, its a provincial thing and the only impact to me is what they spend to enforce it.
Right now we're doing no favors to Quebec by enabling them to spend like they do.
I would also want a government that if a referendum ever comes out again lays it out very clearly what they would get from Canada and what they would pay to leave.
But I don't think that anyone that's the least bit smart is going to scream kick them out and kill confederation.
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Looks like his campaign will fall apart before it even gets going.
There are other candidates running for leadership too. Hopefully they bring something better to the table.
I think you'd like Hall-Findlay, but she's never been a particularly good campaigner. If I'm not mistaken, she only recently finished paying off her previous run at the leadership.
From a policy perspective, Hall-Findlay would be my choice but Trudeau's electability is a major asset in his favour (at least for now).
