Kate Middleton - Nude Pics Circulating!

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Let's not be hypocrites here. This thread drives the bus. We all looked at the pictures out of curiosity. That curiosity that common people have with celebrities drives the tabloids. I don't buy the tabloids but I don't have control over the housewives that do. I have hopefully 60-80 years on this planet and I'm not going to waste any of it trying to be the moral police for what is right and what is wrong for something trivial like privacy for the rich and famous. It is what it is.

I didn't click the links, things like that don't interest me. As has been mentioned by others, there's plenty of nudity and beauty to admire from people very willing to pose. There's no need. I wasn't even curious enough to click the links.

And I only joined the thread after 6 or 7 pages to state my opinion against people defending the actions of the photogs and the lookie-loos, so sorry, I'm not in the same group as you. I'm not the hypocrite and I'm not driving the machine. I'm standing up against it.

How effective I am or whether it matters is a completely different story and I don't presume to be having much effect on the situation. But nothing wrong with presenting a point of view against something that obviously isn't right.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Daradon

But nothing wrong with presenting a point of view against something that obviously isn't right.

Nope nothing wrong at all with presenting your opinion or point of view. I looked at the pictures because I like to see nude women and the girl went topless outside but I myself don't think its right and would probably be one of those dudes that punches the photographers in the face but it comes with the territory and unfortunately it is what it is. I simply refuse to lose any sleep over it because there are much more pressing matters in the world than worrying too much about privacy for the rich and famous. The only time I can remember being truly offended was the guy that recorded Erin Andrews through the peephole as she was in the privacy of her room and I found it disturbingly creepy. That stuff I am totally against but when they are outside it's a matter of using good judgement by the celebrity.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

We all looked at the pictures out of curiosity.

No, actually we all didn't.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by jammies

No, actually we all didn't.

Well most of us did. Looking or not looking doesn't put anyone on a pedestal especially someone that goes by the moniker of basement chicken choker.

[mykalberta]

I love how British Media is now trying to take the high road on things. They are the definition of sleezeball media.

[Locke]

Hah! Yeah, when British Media is the high-water mark we're all in trouble.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Is this picture pushing the limits of expected privacy and her personal freedom? (there is one more with some bum but I didn't want to post anything NSFW)



It is quite a bit different that being snapped at 500yds (or whatever it was) with a powerful lens while on private property. But it is a slippery slope, no?

Was the photographer being intrusive? Good chance the pic was taken by accident and with no malicious intent and was simply part of 500 pictures taken of her during that ceremony.

And then at what point does it become offensive (if it isn't already)? What about those pervy crotch shots we see from papparazzi? Those are too far no? Or do we blame the women because those are frequently done on purpose? (I'm looking at you Britney and Paris. No literally, I'm looking at your vag thanks to those pics).


I don't really have an opinion on any of this. I haven't seen the Kate photos in question though.

BTW for all the Newsroom people, Amanda Pill posted, or was hacked, and she has a number of topless photos online now. The list is actually astounding of famous women who have either been hacked or used leaked photos intentionally to gain notoriety.

Vanessa Hudgens, Blake Lively, Scarlett Johanssan, Kat Dennings, Amanda Pill, Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian, Christina Aguilera and oh so many others who I can't think of right now.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Nope nothing wrong at all with presenting your opinion or point of view. I looked at the pictures because I like to see nude women and the girl went topless outside but I myself don't think its right and would probably be one of those dudes that punches the photographers in the face but it comes with the territory and unfortunately it is what it is. I simply refuse to lose any sleep over it because there are much more pressing matters in the world than worrying too much about privacy for the rich and famous. The only time I can remember being truly offended was the guy that recorded Erin Andrews through the peephole as she was in the privacy of her room and I found it disturbingly creepy. That stuff I am totally against but when they are outside it's a matter of using good judgement by the celebrity.

You don't think there is a problem there?

Hmmm, what we really need more of in this world is people doing what they feel or know isn't right.

Not sure I said I was losing any sleep over it, just that it's not right and people who engage in it should realize how far reaching their actions are. That they are propping up the system that they often say they despise. That they are the hypocrites. Secondly just because there are bigger problems in the world doesn't mean one can't act responsibly here. Especially when it's so easy. It might be different if you were trying to decide say, whether to help out with housing the homeless locally, or going overseas to build houses for people in Haiti. Both are big problems and one only has so much time and money. But somehow I doubt you are so worried about, and active in other big issues that it's impossible to not invade other people's privacy.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Well most of us did. Looking or not looking doesn't put anyone on a pedestal especially someone that goes by the moniker of basement chicken choker.

Oh, I'm sorry you were wrong that we are all hypocrites. In the future I'll remember how sensitive you are to being mistaken.

[Tinordi]

I haven't looked at the pictures as I respect that woman's privacy.

[Flame Of Liberty]

I'd like to thank the moral police for making the world a better place, and I'm just grateful that she is not a princess from Saudi Arabia, because the moral police would be putting people behind bars for a pic of her shoulders. Shoulders are private too, you know! Hope you pervs don't stare at women's hair too!

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

I'd like to thank the moral police for making the world a better place, and I'm just grateful that she is not a princess from Saudi Arabia, because the moral police would be putting people behind bars for a pic of her shoulders. Shoulders are private too, you know! Hope you pervs don't stare at women's hair too!

lol wtf man, have you always been this grating?

I've only started to notice recently. You're so dramatic all the time now.

[Tinordi]

I'm not policing anyone, do what you want. I'm just saying that it's not my place to look at pictures of a naked woman with photos taken in a very unscrupulous manner and without her consent.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

I'd like to thank the moral police for making the world a better place, and I'm just grateful that she is not a princess from Saudi Arabia, because the moral police would be putting people behind bars for a pic of her shoulders. Shoulders are private too, you know! Hope you pervs don't stare at women's hair too!

Are you drunk? This doesn't even makes sense. You're putting 1 and 1 together and then talking about flying pigs. Wha?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

I'd like to thank the moral police for making the world a better place, and I'm just grateful that she is not a princess from Saudi Arabia, because the moral police would be putting people behind bars for a pic of her shoulders. Shoulders are private too, you know! Hope you pervs don't stare at women's hair too!

If any person, in public chose not to ever show their shoulders and a picture of said shoulders was taken in a similar manner than it would also be an invasion of privacy. What the pictures are of doesnt change the privacy issue.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Is this picture pushing the limits of expected privacy and her personal freedom? (there is one more with some bum but I didn't want to post anything NSFW)



It is quite a bit different that being snapped at 500yds (or whatever it was) with a powerful lens while on private property. But it is a slippery slope, no?

Was the photographer being intrusive? Good chance the pic was taken by accident and with no malicious intent and was simply part of 500 pictures taken of her during that ceremony.

And then at what point does it become offensive (if it isn't already)? What about those pervy crotch shots we see from papparazzi? Those are too far no? Or do we blame the women because those are frequently done on purpose? (I'm looking at you Britney and Paris. No literally, I'm looking at your vag thanks to those pics).


I don't really have an opinion on any of this. I haven't seen the Kate photos in question though.

BTW for all the Newsroom people, Amanda Pill posted, or was hacked, and she has a number of topless photos online now. The list is actually astounding of famous women who have either been hacked or used leaked photos intentionally to gain notoriety.

Vanessa Hudgens, Blake Lively, Scarlett Johanssan, Kat Dennings, Amanda Pill, Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian, Christina Aguilera and oh so many others who I can't think of right now.

I actually dont think the content of the pictures matters for the privacy issue. For me it is the circumstances and expectations of when they are took. So the above pictures are fair game whereas the nudes are not because one was taken in the private sphere.

For the celebrity ones i suspect close to zero are actual hacks. They are either intentional releases done to increase popularity or pictures taken by or given to boyfriends / hookups and the distributed. In the second case I dont know if you can have an expectation of privacy if you let a person take the picture and they distribute it. If you let a person take a picture of you it becomes theirs to do wish what you want.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Daradon

You don't think there is a problem there?

Hmmm, what we really need more of in this world is people doing what they feel or know isn't right.

Not sure I said I was losing any sleep over it, just that it's not right and people who engage in it should realize how far reaching their actions are. That they are propping up the system that they often say they despise. That they are the hypocrites. Secondly just because there are bigger problems in the world doesn't mean one can't act responsibly here. Especially when it's so easy. It might be different if you were trying to decide say, whether to help out with housing the homeless locally, or going overseas to build houses for people in Haiti. Both are big problems and one only has so much time and money. But somehow I doubt you are so worried about, and active in other big issues that it's impossible to not invade other people's privacy.

Like I said I have an issue with creeps trying to do up-skirts or peepholes but when a woman tans topless I kind of draw the line as she is no longer concealing herself. Some of you people need to live your own life and not waste it trying to champion every little cause. I can guarantee that Kate Middleton doesn't have the time of day for peasants like you and me as a good many celebrities are terrible people. I don't resent her for her status but I simply don't care that she got caught by the tabloids tanning topless. Life is tough.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Like I said I have an issue with creeps trying to do up-skirts or peepholes but when a woman tans topless I kind of draw the line as she is no longer concealing herself. Some of you people need to live your own life and not waste it trying to champion every little cause.

Crap like this is very much related to everything that is wrong with the way our culture treats womens sexuality. It's a declaration that women need to actively and constantly protect themselves to avoid their bodies becoming public property, that the society around them is actively hostile towards their privacy.

That it's considered normal that nude pictures of anyone can be put into the public domain without consent, and that it's perfectly normal for people to knowingly and willingly financially support people who make a living trying to take as dirty pictures of unwilling women as they can.

Sorry if I feel like that's it's all very much effed up.

Also, those people broke a law. They were fined by the French court and were ordered to turn in all original copies to their rightful owners. Everyone who went to see these pictures effectively encouraged people like them to keep on breaking existing privacy laws. Privacy laws should be respected, not actively undermined in every turn.

I also hate people that go around telling everyone that I'm a pervert because I'm a man. That's one argument that keeps on popping up here, "everyone's doing it", that "every red-blooded man would want to see these pictures". This is obviously false, and I think it's just wrong to try to paint my whole gender as drooling idiots.

Stop trying to hide in the crowd and take responsibility for what you are doing.

It's about people wanting to look at nude pictures taken against someones will, and wanting to declare that this is okay and normal.

I can guarantee that Kate Middleton doesn't have the time of day for peasants like you and me as a good many celebrities are terrible people.

I don't resent her for her status...

I can guarantee that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and by the way, those two sentences are blatantly contradictory.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Itse

Stop trying to hide in the crowd and take responsibility for what you are doing.

Vehemently agree. Do whatever you want, but don't justify it with "well, everyone does it!" First of all, no matter what behaviour it is, there will be a significant minority that doesn't do it, so your premise is wrong, and if your premise is wrong, your argument fails. Second, morality is not a democracy.

I always go back to the example of speeding. I speed, but I don't try to justify it by saying "everyone speeds, so I might as well." That's just a cop-out - I speed because I think the detriment of increased danger in my doing so is less than the benefit of getting where I want to go faster. I also calculate that the probability of punishment for my actions is negligible. This is definitely immoral behaviour, and I don't try to pretend it's moral, either, because to me, hypocrisy is a greater immorality than speeding.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Like I said I have an issue with creeps trying to do up-skirts or peepholes but when a woman tans topless I kind of draw the line as she is no longer concealing herself. Some of you people need to live your own life and not waste it trying to champion every little cause. I can guarantee that Kate Middleton doesn't have the time of day for peasants like you and me as a good many celebrities are terrible people. I don't resent her for her status but I simply don't care that she got caught by the tabloids tanning topless. Life is tough.

Laugh

The fact that you see peep holing creeps and this incident as septate and not connected pretty much signifies how disconnected you are from understanding the moral issues that you're trying to exonerate yourself of.