Lock out notice to the STH?

[KevanGuy]

Hrmm, I just emailed them today to request a refund cheque (which they said was no problem) for the cancelled games but I would rather leave the money in the account and stop the monthly payments. I'll update here when they get back to me.

[street_creep]

Originally Posted by KevanGuy

Hrmm, I just emailed them today to request a refund cheque (which they said was no problem) for the cancelled games but I would rather leave the money in the account and stop the monthly payments. I'll update here when they get back to me.

I cancelled my tickets 4 weeks ago as they would not let me do this . I just wanted them to stop taking payments but they couldnt do it. Tough to do but this is the second lockout for me and didnt want to keep paying for essentially nothing . Plus with High Def being as good as it is now I am quite happy watching at home and just picking up a game here or there if I wish

[Southside]

Street_creep and renny, where were your seats located? Makes me wonder if Hot House members are getting calls during a lock-out? I don't imagine many have bailed on their season tickets. Others?

[pylon]

I'm in the same boat as the cancellers. I am officially done with the Calgary Flames and NHL hockey for the foreseeable future. I will sell off whatever tickets we get this year if any, and will not renew next year. And I blame the players. They live in a deluded fantasy world. I find it very fitting that a useless, bust of a plug, like Matt Stajan, is the representative for over paid players in what is nothing more than a second tier league everywhere in the world except for Canada.

I hope this lock out goes for 2+ years, the NHL collapses, and these players never make another NHL nickel. Roll them back to CFL dollars, and see how much they play "for the love of the game" The majority of the owners on the other hand, will just shrug their shoulders and move on to far more profitable endeavours other than paying the Shawn Horcoffs and Matt Stajans of the world 10 X what they are actually worth.

[csnarpy]

i love "real" hockey fans.....

(truly an embarassment. I couldn't give a rats ass about this lockout. as long as hockey comes back, i will be back with full support of a team that I have been with since it's inception - my tickets will be going no where and whatever I gain in cash this year goes right to the next season)

[Mr.Coffee]

haha... sure thing csnarpy.

I agree whole-heartedly with Pylon and if I actually owned tickets I would have cancelled too. The difference between tv and live isn't huge to me personally.

I 100% support the reduction of pay to these spoiled, delusional morons who have squandered the best thing to happen to them, and to ever happen to them likely, in their lives.

It's less about "real" vs. "non-real" hockey fans to me, and more of a big picture comment by people about priorities in society in general. A bit of an outlandish comment, I realize, but really how many times have you heard that these idiots make more than doctors, and how wrong that is? I've heard it tons personally, and agree that the correction is overdue and coming (and hilarious, honestly, that these idiots would actually say no to their over the top, ridiculous lifestyles).

Let the money flow appropriately elsewhere to the more grateful and deserving, frankly. Entertainment dollars or otherwise. Just think about what pylon can now do with that money he just free'd up? Fata the PA.

[street_creep]

Originally Posted by Southside

Street_creep and renny, where were your seats located? Makes me wonder if Hot House members are getting calls during a lock-out? I don't imagine many have bailed on their season tickets. Others?

I was in section 225 ..great seats ! I hope a hot house member was called to get in on the action .

[pylon]

Originally Posted by csnarpy

i love "real" hockey fans.....

(truly an embarassment. I couldn't give a rats ass about this lockout. as long as hockey comes back, i will be back with full support of a team that I have been with since it's inception - my tickets will be going no where and whatever I gain in cash this year goes right to the next season)

The fact that I have given up approximately 5% of my gross income for more than a decade, plus whatever extra money I had when I couldn't afford seasons tickets to support this team makes me a REAL fan. I backed up my love of this team with my hard earned money. Every. Single. Year.

I have lived in Calgary my entire life, and have cheered for the Calgary Flames from the day the started playing in The Corral. I remember being a 6 year old kid, and staring at Willi Plett in AWE as he walked to the ice through the Corral concourse. I am as REAL of a Flames fan as there ever was. I sat in that building blindly cheering and blowing any extra buck I had for the failure that was the mid 90's to early 2000's Flames. I am the guy they need to worry about losing, because I back my love of the team up, with cold, hard cash, in advance every year. And you know what, I am not alone. There are a ton of people out there right now that are saying enough is enough. Players come and go, and no matter what they think they are worth, they are not worth more than the game, or the businessmen that spend 100's of millions to give them a league, buildings, TV deals, etc to have that right. They simply don't get it.

These players in 20 years, have seen a 6 fold average increase in income, if not more. I haven't, you haven't, and 99% of Canadians haven't. They have won the lottery, and looked at the cheque and said "That's it?" I cannot support a bunch of spoiled brats that live like kings, when rightfully only a handful should.

Matt Stajan, and Shawn Horcoff both make more money than the President of the United States by a large multiple, most brain surgeons and a good chunk of corporate CEO's in this country. Digest that for a minute, and tell me there isn't something wrong with the state of affairs in the NHL right now. These guys should be on their knees, puckering up, and kissing their owners right on the brown eye for being so frikkin stupid to give them a nickel more than league minumum, let alone multi year, 8 figure contracts.

[renny]

Originally Posted by csnarpy

i love "real" hockey fans.....

(truly an embarassment. I couldn't give a rats ass about this lockout. as long as hockey comes back, i will be back with full support of a team that I have been with since it's inception - my tickets will be going no where and whatever I gain in cash this year goes right to the next season)

You don't know me, so don't pretend like you do. You're the embarrassment for passing judgement on strangers you don't even know. Just because I cancelled my tickets it does not make me less of a HOCKEY fan. I redirected my funds and joined three recleague HOCKEY teams. In my opinion (and yours may differ), I feel that by playing the sport I love, it makes me more of a fan.

But hey, I'm an embarrassment just cause I cancelled my tickets so I could spend my resources (time and money) playing the sport.

[renny]

Originally Posted by Southside

Street_creep and renny, where were your seats located? Makes me wonder if Hot House members are getting calls during a lock-out? I don't imagine many have bailed on their season tickets. Others?

I was in section 212, loved those seats!

[Draug]

Originally Posted by street_creep

I was in section 225 ..great seats ! I hope a hot house member was called to get in on the action .

In theory, that shouldnt happen until after the annual relocation event for renewing season ticket holders. I would expect them to have one at the end of this season, or before the next season.

I'm going to be looking for Renny's seats

[flamesrule_kipper34]

My Account Mgr just told me that I have 3 options (I'm currently on the monthly payment plan):

1. Take the monthly refund cheques as games are canceled (cheque Nov. 1 for Oct games, Dec. 1 for Nov games) until a CBA is signed.
2. Get a full refund on what I have paid, less 10% to keep my seats and when a CBA would be signed I would need to immediately catch up on my payments.
3. No refund and just stop payments all together for the future until a CBA is signed.

[street_creep]

Originally Posted by flamesrule_kipper34

My Account Mgr just told me that I have 3 options (I'm currently on the monthly payment plan):

1. Take the monthly refund cheques as games are canceled (cheque Nov. 1 for Oct games, Dec. 1 for Nov games) until a CBA is signed.
2. Get a full refund on what I have paid, less 10% to keep my seats and when a CBA would be signed I would need to immediately catch up on my payments.
3. No refund and just stop payments all together for the future until a CBA is signed.

Wow that is good news for option 3 . I was not given that option at the time I cancelled . In fact Rollie Cyr called me (which was nice) and we had a good conversation. He apologized and mentioned (again at the time ) that it was not an option . Clearly it seems they have gotten enough calls to change that . I am glad you have gotten more options than i was given .

Thanks for the update !

[csnarpy]

Originally Posted by renny

You don't know me, so don't pretend like you do. You're the embarrassment for passing judgement on strangers you don't even know. Just because I cancelled my tickets it does not make me less of a HOCKEY fan. I redirected my funds and joined three recleague HOCKEY teams. In my opinion (and yours may differ), I feel that by playing the sport I love, it makes me more of a fan.

But hey, I'm an embarrassment just cause I cancelled my tickets so I could spend my resources (time and money) playing the sport.

my comments were not directed at you, in fact i didn't even know you were in the conversation. I quoted who i was commenting and bolded what was embarrassing but for some reason it didn't come through - prob cause i was replying from my phone.

but whatever man, way to pass judgement on someone you don't know.

[csnarpy]

Originally Posted by pylon

The fact that I have given up approximately 5% of my gross income for more than a decade, plus whatever extra money I had when I couldn't afford seasons tickets to support this team makes me a REAL fan. I backed up my love of this team with my hard earned money. Every. Single. Year.

I have lived in Calgary my entire life, and have cheered for the Calgary Flames from the day the started playing in The Corral. I remember being a 6 year old kid, and staring at Willi Plett in AWE as he walked to the ice through the Corral concourse. I am as REAL of a Flames fan as there ever was. I sat in that building blindly cheering and blowing any extra buck I had for the failure that was the mid 90's to early 2000's Flames. I am the guy they need to worry about losing, because I back my love of the team up, with cold, hard cash, in advance every year. And you know what, I am not alone. There are a ton of people out there right now that are saying enough is enough. Players come and go, and no matter what they think they are worth, they are not worth more than the game, or the businessmen that spend 100's of millions to give them a league, buildings, TV deals, etc to have that right. They simply don't get it.

These players in 20 years, have seen a 6 fold average increase in income, if not more. I haven't, you haven't, and 99% of Canadians haven't. They have won the lottery, and looked at the cheque and said "That's it?" I cannot support a bunch of spoiled brats that live like kings, when rightfully only a handful should.

Matt Stajan, and Shawn Horcoff both make more money than the President of the United States by a large multiple, most brain surgeons and a good chunk of corporate CEO's in this country. Digest that for a minute, and tell me there isn't something wrong with the state of affairs in the NHL right now. These guys should be on their knees, puckering up, and kissing their owners right on the brown eye for being so frikkin stupid to give them a nickel more than league minumum, let alone multi year, 8 figure contracts.

and yet after 26 years you give up on a spat that probably will be resolved within a month. Your giving up because someone who gets paid more than you doesn't want give up his pay? Seriously? While in reality it was his employer who caused the problem in the first place and then many times after that. Your blaming someone who had an agent who's good at his job. I have no illusions that there is a problem but please forgive if this time around I don't sympathize with the one who caused it. Personally I don't give a rats ass if any of the players come back. If they bring in replacements, I'll gladly support whoever is wearing the uniform. And that, to me, is what matters. The team. I hate the politics too, but I am a fan through and through and whatever team comes back wearing the C is who I'll support.

Thus as a hockey fan for almost 40 years and a CF fan since their inception, I can't wait to see a hockey game again and cheer for my team. I just can't understand why would a squabble affect your loyalty?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by street_creep

I was in section 225 ..great seats ! I hope a hot house member was called to get in on the action .

What row? I would call and look in to changing mine if the seats were tempting enough

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by csnarpy

and yet after 26 years you give up on a spat that probably will be resolved within a month. Your giving up because someone who gets paid more than you doesn't want give up his pay? Seriously? While in reality it was his employer who caused the problem in the first place and then many times after that. Your blaming someone who had an agent who's good at his job. I have no illusions that there is a problem but please forgive if this time around I don't sympathize with the one who caused it. Personally I don't give a rats ass if any of the players come back. If they bring in replacements, I'll gladly support whoever is wearing the uniform. And that, to me, is what matters. The team. I hate the politics too, but I am a fan through and through and whatever team comes back wearing the C is who I'll support.

Thus as a hockey fan for almost 40 years and a CF fan since their inception, I can't wait to see a hockey game again and cheer for my team. I just can't understand why would a squabble affect your loyalty?

Because it's no longer about the hockey. It is ONLY about the millions and millions of dollars.

That's all there is to it, and their actions have demonstrated this big time.

So if you're a hockey fan, it's tough to throw money at a bunch of undeserving primadonnas when what you want to spend money on is watching quality hockey.

Hell these "players", and I use that term very loosely at this point, don't even try in 50% of the games they are playing!

This has gone too far in the wrong direction, greed has consumed the PA, and it's eroding the NHL. The worst part is, they are so shameless they can't even be honest with themselves or the public about it!

[burn_baby_burn]

I wonder how many people have canceled their tickets? The Flames must have overestimated the demand for their product if they changed their policy on refunding money.

Before the last lockout the Flames were coming off a Cinderella run to game seven of the Stanley Cup Final. A great time that many in this city will never forget. This time around the Flames are one of the worst teams in the league and are not worth the price of admission.

I don't plan on giving up on my tickets just yet. I have been dreaming of attending games with my son for some time and he is just getting old enough to attend games and actually enjoy it. (he started playing Initiation last month). However if it wasn't for that reason I would probably just let my tickets go. All in all I hope the lockout lasts at least one season. I look at it as a vacation from spending money and waisting time attending games for a horrible team

[Smartcar]

Originally Posted by street_creep

Wow that is good news for option 3 . I was not given that option at the time I cancelled .

I think the difference was at the time you asked, there were still games that hadn't yet been cancelled, that had not been paid for under the payment schedule. Once all the November games were cancelled, the October payment covered all the remaining games and unless games were added to the schedule there was no more money owing.

[Nuje]

Originally Posted by csnarpy

and yet after 26 years you give up on a spat that probably will be resolved within a month. Your giving up because someone who gets paid more than you doesn't want give up his pay? Seriously? While in reality it was his employer who caused the problem in the first place and then many times after that. Your blaming someone who had an agent who's good at his job. I have no illusions that there is a problem but please forgive if this time around I don't sympathize with the one who caused it. Personally I don't give a rats ass if any of the players come back. If they bring in replacements, I'll gladly support whoever is wearing the uniform. And that, to me, is what matters. The team. I hate the politics too, but I am a fan through and through and whatever team comes back wearing the C is who I'll support.

Thus as a hockey fan for almost 40 years and a CF fan since their inception, I can't wait to see a hockey game again and cheer for my team. I just can't understand why would a squabble affect your loyalty?

Yes. My loyalty is based on the fact that the Flames attempt to win, and whether they're doing well or not, I support them. Now the Flames, and 29 other teams, don't even give enough of a crap to play. The players don't want to take paycuts (who on this board took one during the recession? Who on this board got laid off and lost their job during the recession, without a cushion of a half million a year minimum salary leading up to it to hold them over?). Many of us took paycuts, and spent our smaller dollars on...more hockey. The cap went up for #$%('s sake. That's what pisses me off personally. We kept showing up despite our smaller paycheques. They don't want smaller paycheques, so they don't play (smaller paycheques which would dwarf a half decade of my salary without breaking a sweat...MINIMUM!!!!). That's utter crap, and disrespectful to the single group of people paying the players', and owners' cheques. The fans. I'm skipping one game for every game cancelled...I may even skip more. I made the mistake of loyalty after last lockout (got season tickets that year). I won't make it again, because clearly they take their supporters for granted. It is ONLY because of that, that both sides were not afraid to do this. Were there a risk of dwindling fan-bases, a deal would be done. They don't believe there is.