2012/2013 English Premier League thread

[NBC]

Robin van Persie: Man Utd, Man City & Juventus make bids

Arsenal have received bids for captain Robin van Persie from Manchester City, Manchester United and Juventus.

The 28-year-old Netherlands striker will not be part of the Gunners squad that travels to Asia on Saturday for a three-match pre-season tour.

It is understood that City, United and Juve have tabled offers in the region of £15m, but Arsenal are keen to hold out for a fee of £25-30m.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18922208

£15 million seems low for RvP.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

FYP

yes he would have helped a lot as well

[devo22]

United officially unveil the new away kit:

[shermanator]

Sounds like Junior Hoilett is going to QPR. Hope this means he can make up his mind internationally as well...

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11711/7914428/

[Cactus Jack]

Originally Posted by NBC

Robin van Persie: Man Utd, Man City & Juventus make bids

Arsenal have received bids for captain Robin van Persie from Manchester City, Manchester United and Juventus.

The 28-year-old Netherlands striker will not be part of the Gunners squad that travels to Asia on Saturday for a three-match pre-season tour.

It is understood that City, United and Juve have tabled offers in the region of £15m, but Arsenal are keen to hold out for a fee of £25-30m.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18922208

£15 million seems low for RvP.

That is low for RVP. And Sao Paulo FC wants more than the 35 million euros ManU offered them for Lucas Moura

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by NBC

So if RFC went into administration, had their assets liquidated and can't automatically inherit a terminated registration, how on earth can the SFA even consider transferring existing punishments to Rangers newco? A transfer embargo and hundreds of thousands of pounds in fines for a new club, born out of the ashes of the previous debt-ridden one? Really?

This behaviour typically does not exist in the business sector over here. If your company goes into liquidation and has to start up again (newco), you are not liable for the debts of the previous failed enterprise.

The transfer embargo might kill of Rangers completely. They are hemorrhaging players and do not have the ability to sign new ones. How they are going to be able to field a team? 18-year olds?

The SFA feel that they need to be seen doing something - anything - over this issue, and through it they run the risk of eliminating one of the two most important clubs in the country. Goodbye future Sky/ESPN TV revenues. Goodbye gate receipts. Goodbye money.

If that doesn't smack of bloodlust, I don't know what does.

Why? Because they can. They're not a roofing company that just re-registers and off you go with zero accountability for previous actions. The league can still hold them accountable. You're confusing the taxman and the league.

But .... If I might say so your whole approach to this matter given your constant (as proven ... inaccurate) whining about United buying titles is frankly rather confusing, a touch of laughability and moreso .... outright hypocritical.

You whine and complain every chance you get about a club "supposedly" buying titles , yet here we have a club that repeatedly bought titles and cups through a process of outright fraudulent behaviour for the best part of the last 20 years and you're complaining of heavy handed treatment?
Seriously? Do explain.

If they're hemorrhaging players and do not have the ability to sign new ones then it appears that the third division is exactly where they belong.

[NBC]

Juventus plan Robin van Persie and Luis Suarez bid

Juventus have told Robin van Persie they want to pair him with Liverpool's Luis Suarez, as they bid to lure him to Italy in the face of strong interest from Manchester United and City.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18935349

[TopChed]

^ If Juve came calling with a £28m bid for Suarez, I hope Rodgers hung up the phone. He's signed for 4 more seasons, which I've heard LFC is trying to extend, and £28m is only £5m more than Liverpool paid for him when he hadn't fully proven himself at the top level yet.

[Bagor]

If Rodgers is smart he'll get rid of Suarez asap. If there's anything to be learnt from last season and his behaviour in the last few days is that he's a self-centred baby that can't keep his mouth shut who remains more of a distraction than an asset.

Hasn't fully proven himself? Maybe you're right, but I just don't see that happening at Liverpool FC. Might be just once of those situations where it is best for both parties to part company.

Anyways .... Suarez's behaviour in the last few days reeks of someone with zero respect for the club (again!) and wanting out.

Luis Suarez has defied Liverpool's orders to reignite the row over his race ban last season after claiming he fell victim to a Manchester United conspiracy.

The Liverpool striker, who is currently back in Uruguay preparing for the Olympics, will have dismayed Anfield officials by going on record again about the incident with Patrice Evra last October.

In an interview with Uruguayan TV station RR Gol, Suarez revealed he has been ordered by Liverpool’s hierarchy not to speak over the furore, for which he received an eight-match ban.

He added: 'People at the club are sure that it was a way that Manchester United used to put me out of the team and stop Liverpool.

'But in England, Man United has this political power, and you have to respect that and shut your mouth.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2175011/Luis-Suarez-reopens-race-row-Patrice-Evra.html

Couple of things regarding the above article. He seriously thinks it was a giant conspiracy to put him out of the team and stop Liverpool ........ from getting 7th spot?

The timing of the whole thing as mentioned reeks of someone with zero respect (again) for the club he plays for, zero respect for his new manager, and someone desperate to get moved.

Not to mention and to cement the idea of how much of a selfish self-centred baby he is that his comments come as the national squad is preparing for their opening game in the Olympics next Thursday ...... at Old Trafford.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by NBC

£15 million seems low for RvP.

Not really. He is injury prone, 29 and has only one year left on his contract. I'd have taken the £8m from Juve to get this crap over with and prevent him from joining another EPL club.

Failing that, I'd just have him either shut up and play or else rot for the rest of his contract. But seeing as our Board only care about the money no matter what effect it has on weakening our team while strengthening other domestic clubs, I hold out little hope of this ending well.

[Addick]

Originally Posted by Bagor

You whine and complain every chance you get about a club "supposedly" buying titles , yet here we have a club that repeatedly bought titles and cups through a process of outright fraudulent behaviour for the best part of the last 20 years and you're complaining of heavy handed treatment?
Seriously? Do explain.

If they're hemorrhaging players and do not have the ability to sign new ones then it appears that the third division is exactly where they belong.

I don't want to put words in his mouth but he might be talking about the fact that the clubs in the SPL are putting their league and themselves on the verge of extinction to punish a club for not just being financially responsible but also a lot better than them.

Even if it was not about getting back at Rangers, it is very short sighted because you are also punishing those who were being financially responsible and they will end up much worse off. Also, maybe they should have stood up and done something earlier rather than graciously picking up the windfalls that came with Rangers' success.

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

Not really. He is injury prone, 29 and has only one year left on his contract. I'd have taken the £8m from Juve to get this crap over with and prevent him from joining another EPL club.

Failing that, I'd just have him either shut up and play or else rot for the rest of his contract. But seeing as our Board only care about the money no matter what effect it has on weakening our team while strengthening other domestic clubs, I hold out little hope of this ending well.

To be honest, I think he's set on going to City. As such, why lose him on a free to those mercenaries next year when we can cash in and move forward this year?

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Addick

I don't want to put words in his mouth but he might be talking about the fact that the clubs in the SPL are putting their league and themselves on the verge of extinction to punish a club for not just being financially responsible but also a lot better than them.

Saying they weren't being financially responsible is being kind and suggests some kind of accidental behaviour when in fact it was deliberate and outright fraud.

And as for Rangers being a lot better than them, that we will never know for certain given there was no level playing field in the last 20 years. Sorta like saying Ben Johnson was a lot better sprinter than Carl Lewis until .....

Yes ... I take your point regarding short-sightedness but the small matter of sporting integrity is also of importance. They conned and cheated their way for years and brought the whole league into disrepute. I see Ally McCoist saying he will never accept the stripping of their titles. I'd be happy for them to keep them with a * beside their name for each one they cheated their way to. Also ... just how much money was going to the non old firm clubs?

Can you elaborate on "doing something earlier"?

[Barnet Flame]

Because this is happening every fricken season and a line has to be drawn somewhere. He has a contract for another season, so if/when he goes this season, it ought really to be on terms acceptable to the Club. The more we continue to roll over, the more we get our best players cherry-picked.

That said, I fully expect us to roll over - the Management of the club has been shockingly amateurish and out of touch with changes in the modern game since David Dein left. If they were half as effective on growing the playing side as they were when they collectively (and I include Dein in this) pocketed $800m dollars from the Club without risking a penny of their own money, we'd be world beaters.

[cam_wmh]

Omg bebe scored today lol

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Omg bebe scored today lol

found his level

[Addick]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Can you elaborate on "doing something earlier"?

You stated that they "They conned and cheated their way for years and brought the whole league into disrepute.", standing up when they started to this may have been a more appropriate time.

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

Because this is happening every fricken season and a line has to be drawn somewhere. He has a contract for another season, so if/when he goes this season, it ought really to be on terms acceptable to the Club. The more we continue to roll over, the more we get our best players cherry-picked.

That said, I fully expect us to roll over - the Management of the club has been shockingly amateurish and out of touch with changes in the modern game since David Dein left. If they were half as effective on growing the playing side as they were when they collectively (and I include Dein in this) pocketed $800m dollars from the Club without risking a penny of their own money, we'd be world beaters.

Unfortunately we don't have Dein and until we replace him, it won't be in either the supporters' or owners' best interest to let him rot.

[rubecube]

The Modric situation is getting ugly. I hope Levy sticks to his guns on this one and lets him rot on the bench for he next three years unless he gets his asking price.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...-fines?cc=5901

[NBC]

I wonder if it would have been in Spurs' best interest to have sold him last year when he started playing up? He seems like he's a bit of a d*ck.

[d_phaneuf]

Last year only Chelsea were willing to pay

this year it looks to either be RM or PSG, Levy has said to the fans, and at AGM's since Berbatov left, that he will not sell their best players to rival clubs

he will get his fee, or Luka won't leave. At this point I would rather him sit on the bench than ever play for the club again but trying to strong arm Daniel Levy is not going to work out well for Luka Modric

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

he will get his fee, or Luka won't leave. At this point I would rather him sit on the bench than ever play for the club again but trying to strong arm Daniel Levy is not going to work out well for Luka Modric

Yep. Stick him with the reserves until someone pays up.