Feaster: "I really feel Jarome will finish his career here in Calgary"

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

What a joke. Iginla is nothing like Sundin. Until he ditches his team to play with the Canucks, that comparison is an insult.

Sundin didn't ditch the Leafs. Management and fans wanted him to leave, because they knew they weren't close to winning a Cup and they needed to acquire young assets. In fact, his legacy in Toronto was soured because he wouldn't voluntarily leave sooner.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by RobDoupe

Sundin didn't ditch the leaves. Management and fans wanted him to leave, because they knew they weren't close to winning a Cup and they needed to acquire young assets. In fact, his legacy in Toronto was soured because he wouldn't voluntarily leave sooner.

Toronto had a $7M offer on the table the year he chose to go to Vancouver the team didn't want to lose him

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

And which "best" young prospects do you think he could return that are "sure things"?

Top young prospects are a heck of a lot closer to sure things than fanciful trades where we get front-line player for supporting pieces, or free agent signings that don't break the bank and handcuff the team for years.

Drafting your core is the way you build a contender in today's NHL. Everything else in this discussion - Iginla, rebuilding, all of it - follows from that truth. It's not a sure way - nothing is - but it's the most likely way.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

That sounds like the right direction to me in the big picture. In the small picture of this season, we're not heading in the "right" direction in terms of making the playoffs, but I'm at a loss why that notion hasn't been dispelled for some people around here.

It's like there's shock and outrage when we keep losing.

In the big picture, we have a lot of young bright spots, we have some assets that can be sold off at the deadline, we'll draft high, and we have a ton of salary to throw around in free agency this summer.

It just takes a bit of perspective.

I think your perspective is comparing the prospects for the Flames right now compared to three seasons ago. So yes, things are looking up in terms of youth development and cap space compared to the recent past.

However, try the perspective of comparing the Flames to other teams and things don't look quite so rosy. We now have a maybe average prospect pool. While that's reason for some optimism, unlike almost every other team in the NHL, our roster doesn't have any impact players under the age of 28.
So overall, our age/talent profile is still poor (though improving).

Yes, we have a lot of money coming off the books this summer. But last time I checked, almost half of the teams in the league will have as much or more cap space available in the summer. Once again, the best players will get locked up by their current teams before they make it to free agency, and we'll be left with bidding wars and overpaying for second-tier players. That's not the way you build a contender.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by T@T

Iginla would know even if he went to a "contender" his chances are still slim. I wish fans/media would just leave him the fock alone,let the team build up with him here and let him retire with the flaming C tattooed on his arse.

Maybe he's not having fun playing hockey here anymore (he sure doesn't look like he's having fun). So even if the team he goes to doesn't compete for the Cup, he may be happier there.

[Nauravakulkuri]

I really feel that we should trade Iggy to Minny if possible.

Iggy to 1st pick and Mikael Grandlund?

For the future!

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Toronto had a $7M offer on the table the year he chose to go to Vancouver the team didn't want to lose him

Maybe. But there was lots of talk in the TO press the season before that the Leafs had wanted to deal him for a nice package and he refused to go. The fanbase was not happy with him at all by the end.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Yup. I think the Regehr saga is a case where we as fans didn't understand the value he had out there. People were expecting the Sabres to cough up a kid like Luke Adam. It simply wasn't going to happen. And I count myself as those who had a poor gauge of #28's value on the trade market.

Not everyone was over valuing Regher. Some posters pointed out what other players of his ilk returned in trade and it wasn't much.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Not everyone was over valuing Regher. Some posters pointed out what other players of his ilk returned in trade and it wasn't much.

Of course - there's always a range of opinion.

But on the whole - I would say the fan base was expecting a better return.

[Otsy]

Originally Posted by Nauravakulkuri

I really feel that we should trade Iggy to Minny if possible.

Iggy to 1st pick and Mikael Grandlund?

For the future!

Trading within the division is always tougher. Although I'm not sure why Boston and Toronto have done so many in the last couple years.

[troutman]

Jarome will finish his career in Calgary, after playing somewhere else. Like Mike Vernon.

[Tinordi]

Seems to me like the organization is position itself to make the eventual Iginla trade look like it's coming from Iginla's camp.

[North East Goon]

If Jarome doesnt mind playing for a laughingstock of the league once again, then let him be! We suck with him and will start to gain top picks, it's just going to take much,much longer to get back to respectability. A 7 year drought is looking like a best case scenario right now!

[868904]

Originally Posted by Otsy

Trading within the division is always tougher. Although I'm not sure why Boston and Toronto have done so many in the last couple years.

Flames aren't making the playoffs or even competing for a spot so it won't matter where they trade him.

I actually prefer they trade players to Western Conference teams to strengthen them so they can beat on the Canucks. Even if all it does is force the Canucks to play one extra 7 game series. You look at the east and there are a couple of teams that are serious contenders and will be beating on each other before making it to the finals. The Canucks need some serious competition in the west.

Hell i'd trade Iggy to a contending western team for free just to piss the Canucks off. LOL

[wired]

IMO, Iggy needs a new team to play on. For the good of the Flames, and Iggy.
I will give the guy his dues, he was a top tier player for many years, and may still have a lot to offer.
A fresh start for Iggy would probably be a positive for him.
A Flames team without Iggy may be an energized team, time to pass the torch to someone else on the team.
Brodie is the next franchise player..... book it.

[2macinnis2]

Caps trade Semin to Det/LA for 1st + roster player.

Flames trade Iginla to Caps for Col 1st and Kusnetsov.

Iginla comes back to Flames in 2 years after winning Cup in Washington.

Everyone is happy.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by 2macinnis2

Caps trade Semin to Det/LA for 1st + roster player.

Flames trade Iginla to Caps for Col 1st and Kusnetsov.

Iginla comes back to Flames in 2 years after winning Cup in Washington.

Everyone is happy.

The bolded part would be highway robbery. If any flame fan would not accept that as a trade for Iggy, then they care more about Iggy than the crest on the jersey.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by RobDoupe

I think your perspective is comparing the prospects for the Flames right now compared to three seasons ago. So yes, things are looking up in terms of youth development and cap space compared to the recent past.

However, try the perspective of comparing the Flames to other teams and things don't look quite so rosy. We now have a maybe average prospect pool. While that's reason for some optimism, unlike almost every other team in the NHL, our roster doesn't have any impact players under the age of 28.
So overall, our age/talent profile is still poor (though improving).

Yes, we have a lot of money coming off the books this summer. But last time I checked, almost half of the teams in the league will have as much or more cap space available in the summer. Once again, the best players will get locked up by their current teams before they make it to free agency, and we'll be left with bidding wars and overpaying for second-tier players. That's not the way you build a contender.

Welcome to 2011. As far as I'm concerned you did nothing but state the obvious.

This team is going to take a few years to turn things around regardless of what happens.

I am not against moving Iginla for the right deal but if he wants to stay and the team wants him here through this process I don't think it's the bleak end of times that a lot of the people here seem stuck on.

[2macinnis2]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

Welcome to 2011. As far as I'm concerned you did nothing but state the obvious.

This team is going to take a few years to turn things around regardless of what happens.

I am not against moving Iginla for the right deal but if he wants to stay and the team wants him here through this process I don't think it's the bleak end of times that a lot of the people here seem stuck on.

I'd agree with that, but I think the bigger problem is what he's bringing, or rather not bringing, to the team over the last couple years. He's scored goals and that's about it. He's become a perimeter sniper in a Brett Hull-mode.

I don't think that type of player as a captain is who the Flames want to build a youthful team around. In 2004, Jarome was probably the best player in the NHL. But he has changed a lot since then...

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

This team is going to take a few years to turn things around regardless of what happens.

Few years? You aren't listening. What people are saying is the turnaround won't start until Iginla is gone. As long as he's here this team is treading water as we continue to be bad enough to just miss the playoffs but not bad enough to draft top 5 talent.