2011 Blue Jays Season Thread

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Wow according to the stats both teams have no errors. Yeah, I call BS on that. Encarnacion dropped a pretty routine foul ball, and one of the Oakland outfielders lost a ball in the lights.

LOL, losing a ball in the lights isn't an error, especially if the fielder doesn't touch the ball.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by koop

Moneyball was about finding value in the market for baseball players.... so it wasn't that defense wasn't important, just that it was overvalued (at the time at least). Same with OBP or closers, moneyball talked about both and it wasn't that the A's thought closers weren't important and OBP was all that mattered, it was just that closers were overvalued and OBP was undervalued. I think a lot of people misunderstand that book, it's really just about finding value to gain a competitive advantage, and that means just as much now as it ever did. It's just harder to do now that every team uses advanced statistics.

Yeah I know all that - I've just made one too many of those "moneyball isn't about OBP, it's about market inefficiency posts" in the past to do it again.

I would agree that defense was over-valued by other teams, but at the time the sabermetrics community pretty much agreed that defense played a much, much less significant role than hitting or pitching. I guess that's sort of saying the same thing, but it is important as if Billy Beane had the sort of defensive metrics we have now, he likely wouldn't have perceived a market inefficiency in those big bats with poor gloves type of player.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by ricoFlame

LOL, losing a ball in the lights isn't an error, especially if the fielder doesn't touch the ball.

Thanks, I didn't know that.

[Sylvanfan]

Hopefully Escobar was only shaken up on that one play where he had to leave the game, he's been pretty good with the stick to start the season.

[Machiavelli]

^ From the post-game conference, they said that he'd been taken for some precautionary tests to rule out concussion symptoms, etc. He'll also be re-examined tomorrow.

[Gozer]

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/...=1&s_type=.gif

Jo Jo's pitch graph from Brooks baseball.

Summary: only spot he hit consistently was down the pipe; mostly fastballs.

I didn't see him pitch, but if that graph is representative of his season then it won't be in the bigs.

[Lil Pedro]

Hope Escobar is alright, looking at him in the field after he suffered that blow to head worried me. Smart move by Farrell and the staff to take him out for precautionary reasons. Loved his effort in making a double into a triple

[secol]

i also thought reyes threw way too many fastballs. if the scouting report was right and he has 5 solid pitches, use them?

[Lil Pedro]

Afternoon tilt, hoping for a sweep. Romero on the hill today.
Escobar out but after reading a TSN article he's not suffering any headaches but rather has a sore neck. Encouraging news

[North East Goon]

I like Romero, reminds me of Jimmy Key!

[Pagal4321]

Escobar diagnosed with a mild concussion but not going on the 7 day DL, should be back early next week.

[Lil Pedro]

Jason Frasor is useless

[habernac]

at least the Boston Red Yankees are 0-6.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

Jason Frasor is useless

Came in with one out and a runner on third to get a strike out.

Did his job.

Arencibia let the strike out pitch get by him, which not only led to the tying run scoring, but also allowed Crisp to get aboard. Tough play for sure, but he can't let that ball get by him.

To make matters worse, he bobbled the ball on Crisp's steal of second.

[Caged Great]

Here's a bit of good news. Only two teams in all of MLB history have made the playoffs starting 0-4 or worse. The Rays are 0-5, and the Red Sox are 0-6.

Teams pretty much can only lose 65 games through the course of the season, so those two are getting quite a bit behind the 8 ball. Hopefully they continue to lose a bunch of games the rest of the month because that'll mean that they will have to basically be perfect the rest of the way.

[Flickered Flame]

It amazing how good pitching can be when the team behind them doesn't commit errors. Great pitching today, the A's were just a little better today.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

I'm not a big fan of Frasor either. I'd like to see what Francisco can do when he gets healthy. Hopefully he can do better than Frasor.

[Caged Great]

Janssen got sent down to AAA because Dotel is healthy.

[dustyanddaflames]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Came in with one out and a runner on third to get a strike out.

Did his job.

Arencibia let the strike out pitch get by him, which not only led to the tying run scoring, but also allowed Crisp to get aboard. Tough play for sure, but he can't let that ball get by him.

To make matters worse, he bobbled the ball on Crisp's steal of second.

Bang on, Arencibia has to get that ball infront of him. Frasor did his job.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by dustyanddaflames

Bang on, Arencibia has to get that ball infront of him. Frasor did his job.

I admittedly didn't see the play, but wasn't it ruled as a wild pitch?