Potentially lethal force? He dropped a skinny little idiot on his face. Don't kids fall out of trees, off their bicycles, etc. all the time and land on their heads? The worst he was going to get was a broken nose/teeth, which would have been what he deserved.
This seems to be a case of some people thinking the act was much worse that it actually was, based on a set of hypothetical "what ifs."
Maybe, they're surprisingly durable, but I grimaced when I saw that. I fell 5 ft about a week ago and I either have a fractured foot or deep bone bruise (doctor said it doesn't matter, neither require surgery). Now, anyone who went to school knows words don't exactly solve issues in the playground, but a effing kid got bodyslammed and adults cheer. Its not even the fact that the fat kid body slammed the scrawny kid, school fights are school fights, but all the adults on here that are cheering this on is what disturbs the crap out of me.
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I get that people like to see a big mouth get fed, a little kid (8 years old) gets body slammed into cement ground and a bunch of adults cheer and feel vindicated? Am I the only one that see's something wrong here?
(Again, I get that the scrawny kid was a prick and I don't blame the fat kid or anything, but its just really weird, and disturbing, to see adults cheering on a 8 year old getting body slammed into cement.)
I believe he's in "Year 8", which is the Aussie way of saying "Grade 8", which would mean he's most likely 13 or 14.
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Its not being responsible and its not really a soap box, just wondering where all this vindication is coming from, but whatever do what you want.
It's coming from the fact that our continually pansifying overly PC society actually got this one right. He didn't kick him when he was down or do anything dishonorable at all. Didn't talk s*** or gloat. He just body slammed him and walked away rather chill. The punishments of four days vs 20+ show exactly where the heads of the authorities are at on this one, and I applaud their decision wholeheartedly.
I like that he slammed the kid, its funny and deserving, BUT, I can understand how people like EDL or Demented could feel the way they do. It doesn't make them wrong, or stupid, or pro bully or anti-fat. It is only a slight difference from the view of the crowd here. They are saying stand up, be violent as a last resort type thing and maybe tone it down a little. Its a little gray.
Dangerous fotze ( ) although I'm not even saying be violent as a first resort or last resort. Not saying its not deserved or anything, and I didn't think people would be so sensitive but whatever, even saying the scrawny kid (where is the outcry for that?) played with fire and got burned is fine... but vindicated? Of all things, that is one thing I wouldn't expect.
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I just get the feeling reading this thread that those that were bullied have an entirely different viewpoint on how to react to bullying.
I was bullied quite a bit when I was younger until I stood up for myself and broke the nose of one of my antagonizers. Until that point it was a constant stream of verbal and sometimes physical abuse. After that point I had some grudging respect and was left alone.
Another case, my younger sister when growing up was being antagonized by a kid her age that lived 3 doors down from us. He would constantly trip her and throw rocks and snowballs at her. The one problem was that he had a big older brother, and I was scared to do anything for the retribution. One day I saw the kid bullying my sister when walking the block and a half from the bus stop to our house. I grabbed him by the back of the neck and put his head through a snow drift up to the shoulders and gave him a push for good measure. Then I ran like hell so that his big brother couldn't catch me before I made it home. After that point, the kid stopped bullying my sister. Appropriate force can be a powerful deterrent.
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My favorite part of the video was when the 3rd kid at the end went up to the big kid but a girl got between them. The 3rd kid didn't do anything and then the girl got between them and then he was like "let me at him". Real tough. Reminded me of Alex Burrows.
I don't feel sorry for the skinny kid. It will teach him a lesson. Would I have had he gotten injured real bad? Probably....but he didn't.
i have told my kids to stand up for themselves and tell bullys to bugger off and if need be defend themselves.
i wouldnt tell my kid to apply potentially lethal force to prove a point.
We can sit here as adults and say the kid didn't need to use so much force but really the kid is still a kid.
He probably has no idea how strong he is and he probably had no clue the type of damage he could do to the little kid.
The reason the big kid is being bullied is because he has probably never used his strength before and had no idea how strong he actually is. Also the fact that the slam was so awkward looking and dangerous was because he had no idea how to fight back.
It is unreasonable to sit here after the fact and say that the big kid should not have used such force due to the aforementioned reasons and especially since when in the heat of a confrontation you aren't really thinking, he had been attacked and clearly snapped after initially trying to stay calm.
I say good on the kid for standing up for himself and fighting back against what was clearly a group of kids picking on him and trying to show off.
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There is a marked difference between "cheering" this kid getting slammed into the pavement and having little sympathy for him. I for one fall into the latter camp. While I don't think that it is "the greatest thing I have ever seen" I do have very little sympathy for him. I think that some here are failing to see the differences in people's reactions to a relatively trivial incident, one which the perpetrator of the act received no injuries to speak of.
If he has even remotely decent parents, they will be telling him that this was a good cheap lesson.
I just get the feeling reading this thread that those that were bullied have an entirely different viewpoint on how to react to bullying.
I think this sums it up.
I was bullied for a brief while when I was in grade 5. A grade 6 kid and his friend would torment me. One day, in an attempt to fight back, my little brother and I were walking home for lunch and the 2 kids and their girlfriends started chasing us. I stepped in behind a motorhome and tripped the really big one as my brother kept running.
The other 3 kids were not all that quick to react, and ended up all tripping on top of him and I decided that my plan to fight them all was a pretty bad idea, so I took off running. I found out after lunch time, that big boy's girlfriend fell into the sidewalk and broke her arm.
Long story short, I think the guy realized that if he had to explain to his parents what was happening for his girlfriend to break her arm like that, he would be in a world of hurt, for some reason I kept my mouth shut.
Turns out he was a pretty decent friend through most of Jr High.
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I am not reading through the whole thread so pardon if this was mentioned, but Casey and the skinny dude were both given a punishment of 4 day suspensions each.
I am not reading through the whole thread so pardon if this was mentioned, but Casey and the skinny dude were both given a punishment of 4 day suspensions each.
You should have read at least a page back. That way, you would have known that the skinny kid got 21 days.
There is a marked difference between "cheering" this kid getting slammed into the pavement and having little sympathy for him.
I'm neither, really. I didn't cheer for him, but I don't feel sympathy for an instigator. With the guy that said the fat kid (guess I can't say fatty?) didn't know his own strength, I'd agree, he looked as surprised as anyone. Fat kid seems like a good kid, I don't think he should have been suspended. Kids can be mean.
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I think this sums it up.
I was bullied for a brief while when I was in grade 5. A grade 6 kid and his friend would torment me. One day, in an attempt to fight back, my little brother and I were walking home for lunch and the 2 kids and their girlfriends started chasing us. I stepped in behind a motorhome and tripped the really big one as my brother kept running.
The other 3 kids were not all that quick to react, and ended up all tripping on top of him and I decided that my plan to fight them all was a pretty bad idea, so I took off running (actually right down the alley behind Flames Gimp's house). I found out after lunch time, that big boy's girlfriend fell into the sidewalk and broke her arm.
Long story short, the guy realized that if he had to explain to his parents what was happening for his girlfriend to break her arm like that, he would be in a world of hurt, so be begged me to not say anything about it, and for some reason I kept my mouth shut.
Turns out he was a pretty decent friend through most of Jr High.
I have a similar story (I was in a lot of fights when I was a kid, inflated ego?) and one guy who I got into a fight with a lot in grade 4 and grade 5 ended up being one of my best friends in grade 6 and grade 7. Another kid, I broke his ribs in a fight and a year later, I was friends with his older brother and soon after we became friends and played hockey. Kids have the attention span of a few seconds, enemies one day and friends the next.
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Strength or no strength, Ability or no ability, big or small, Casey TOOK 2 to the head, several body shots, and stood there! This was probably not the first time this had happened to him, and in his mind at the time, probably not the last.
Imagine living each day like this! waiting for the Skinny kid, the mean b!&ch or the kid with nothing better to do, to catch up to you and repeat what happened for the first half of this video, day in day out.
Casey took measures to stop his torment, and SK getting slammed to the ground, ended his torment.
The little runt go what was coming to him, and with the added force to the ground, took some more, for the other bullies before him that had dolled it out to Casey.
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I just get the feeling reading this thread that those that were bullied have an entirely different viewpoint on how to react to bullying.
I wonder about this, too. Or how many of those who are saying "He didn't have to do it that hard!" have ever actually been in a fight. Not a little up-against-the-lockers slapfest, but an actual fight.
I've been bullied. I've been in fights. And the fastest way I ever found to end bullying against me permanently was aggressively. I was fed that "you are a big, strong boy, don't be hitting kids" from my mother (parents separated) but there were times that was the only way to get them to leave me alone. And it always worked.
That was a different time, though. These days, who knows. Nothing looked excessive to me. Awkward, as the big kid didn't really seem to know what he was doing...but when you 'snap' like that, it's more instinct than anything else. He also could have been a tool and worked the skinny kid while he was down, but didn't. I doubt that skinny kid will be bothering the big kid again.
And that, in the end, is simply what the big kid wanted. His goal was achieved.
) although I'm not even saying be violent as a first resort or last resort. Not saying its not deserved or anything, and I didn't think people would be so sensitive but whatever, even saying the scrawny kid (where is the outcry for that?) played with fire and got burned is fine... but vindicated? Of all things, that is one thing I wouldn't expect.
