Can the Flames win a cup with Johnny Hockey as the man ?

[Moneyhands23]

Malkin???

[Red]

Johnny is an excellent top line winger.
Monahan is an excellent top line C.

Which statement is more true?

IMO Johnny is fine. We just need to upgrade on Monahan so he could then replace Jankowski.
Hard to get a big top line C though. Maybe they go after some older guys as a stop gap. Doesn't have to be a huge scorer, just a big guy that can gain the zone and drive play.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Malkin???

Too many miles and injury prone.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Why would the Flames have to trade Monahan if they brought in another center? The $6.375M he earns is fine for a number 2 center.

See what you could get for Jankowski before moving a consistent 30 goal guy signed to a good deal for 4 more years.

Buy out Neal. Trade Brodie, Jankowski, Frolik, Stone to clear up some room. Keep Monahan. Pay Tkachuk.

I wonder if Monahan can play top line wing if a good centre can be acquired, as opposed to being a 2C?

Of course, there's the rub. What elite centre is (a) available and (b) can fit the cap even with some room created, given Tkachuk's likely demands?

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by zamler

Too many miles and injury prone.

Ya that's crazy, i just looked and he averages mid 60's for games played per year.

Such a big dude to get so many injuries

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Why would the Flames have to trade Monahan if they brought in another center? The $6.375M he earns is fine for a number 2 center.

See what you could get for Jankowski before moving a consistent 30 goal guy signed to a good deal for 4 more years.

A) Jankowski probably wouldn't get anything of significance
B) Flames are in a cap crunch and wouldn't be able to afford a Gaudreau, Monahan, Duchene, Stamkos, Tkachuk, Backlund top-6 combination
C) Without Gaudreau, I actually don't think Monahan would be hitting 30 goals a season and thus wouldn't be earning his salary

[Moneyhands23]

I wonder if we end up getting Duchenne.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The tricky thing in trading a guy like Gaudreau, or any other star player, is getting back what you truly need. A young number one center, with size and speed, on a good contract who can replace Johnny's offense.

You have to fleece someone for that to happen unless you really gamble on potential

[Moneyhands23]

Also I would hate to sit here laughing at edmonton for moving Hall and Eberle only to trade Sean and Johnny...

Could go very bad

[Psytic]

What center can we get for Joe Colborne err I mean Jankowski, Brodie and our 1st ? Doesn't need to be quite as good of a pure goal scorer as Monahan but it needs to be somebody well rounded with a 200 foot game that can create space and compliment Johnny more so Monahan and Backlund can be pushed down.


Edit: How cheap would Kopitar retained come considering we dont want to spend much and most of the younger options are on contenders that wouldn't want to move them?

[genetic_phreek]

Send Gaudreau to Philly for their 1st and Couturier.
Send Jankowski and our 1st to NJ for Hall.
Send Monahan to Buffalo for Reinhart
Send Brodie to Florida for Hoffman
Promote Valimaki full time
Send James Neal to the moon.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I'm all for Treliving trying to swap Gaudreau for Hall. It's likely welcomed by both players, Calgary gets size while NJ gets a local star to build hype around in addition to Hughes, and if worst comes to worst at least with Hall the Flames could likely draft first overall for the first time in franchise history

Jesus this makes me sick.

[AltaGuy]

Trade Monahan for a 1st round pick and a blue-chip prospect.

Sign Kevin Hayes.

Hayes is best buds with Gaudreau, is huge, skates far better than Monahan, and can carry the puck. In my view, it won't be worse, and we'll be up whatever we recoup trading Monahan.

[Toonage]

^ Don't need to move Monahan to get or afford Hayes.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

A) Jankowski probably wouldn't get anything of significance
B) Flames are in a cap crunch and wouldn't be able to afford a Gaudreau, Monahan, Duchene, Stamkos, Tkachuk, Backlund top-6 combination
C) Without Gaudreau, I actually don't think Monahan would be hitting 30 goals a season and thus wouldn't be earning his salary

We afford to keep Monahan because there is no Stamkos trade happening. I don’t like trading a 25 year old for a 30 year old either.

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by Toonage

^ Don't need to move Monahan to get or afford Hayes.

I think Monahan's poor footspeed, injury problems, and poor possession numbers make him a prime candidate to sell high on. I don't think we need his goalscoring.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Toonage

^ Don't need to move Monahan to get or afford Hayes.

Hayes isn’t an upgrade on Monahan either and likely costs $7M per to consider coming here.

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Hayes isn’t an upgrade on Monahan either and likely costs $7M per to consider coming here.

Is he a downgrade though? Because if we can replace Monahan's contributions with something as effective (perhaps in different areas) in free agency, we're just smart asset managers.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

Is he a downgrade though?.

Yes. Yes he is

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

Is he a downgrade though? Because if we can replace Monahan's contributions with something as effective (perhaps in different areas) in free agency, we're just smart asset managers.

A lot of people don’t seem to factor this in. For me, it’s about the whole picture. Adding two 1st liners and subtracting 1 is ultimately an upgrade.


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