2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Since players could become UFA's, it always been this way. It was alwasy risky to wait until the contract was completed.

It hasn't been this way in practice though. And players have been able to be UFAs since the league began. Up until not too long ago there was way more UFA movement at the deadline and then only when teams were out of it. If Calgary, for example, hadn't been a terrible team, they'd have kept Iggy for the season and tried to work a deal in the next off season, just like in previous years.

[butterfly]

I'd happily give Lindholm a 2x9 or whatever if the idea is to compete. But no 8-year deals, please.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I'd happily give Lindholm a 2x9 or whatever if the idea is to compete. But no 8-year deals, please.

It'd have to be a 2x15 or something dumb

[Hackey]

They have no choice but to run it back and hope a new coach gets them playing to their max potential. There is a reasonable probability that could happen, but don't continue mortgaging your future and further handcuffing your club just to try and get into the playoffs.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Hackey

They have no choice but to run it back and hope a new coach gets them playing to their max potential. There is a reasonable probability that could happen, but don't continue mortgaging your future and further handcuffing your club just to try and get into the playoffs.

I think they could even risk removing players to make room for others by acquiring picks and prospects. If Kylington is back maybe they do ditch Hanifin for pure futures. If they want to take a bigger risk they could do something similar with Lindholm and Toffoli and run with Coronato/Pelltier/Zary and hope the bounce back of Huberdeau, Markstrom and Mangiapane with a more consistent Kadri this team can still be better next year even with the removal of some key pieces in exchange for youth

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think they could even risk removing players to make room for others by acquiring picks and prospects. If Kylington is back maybe they do ditch Hanifin for pure futures. If they want to take a bigger risk they could do something similar with Lindholm and Toffoli and run with Coronato/Pelltier/Zary and hope the bounce back of Huberdeau, Markstrom and Mangiapane with a more consistent Kadri this team can still be better next year even with the removal of some key pieces in exchange for youth

I'd love to see them make moves like that but I just feel they're so desperate to get in they will let guys walk for free if they think it improves their odds of getting into the playoffs this year. Lindholm, Hanifin, Toffoli, Tanev, Zadorov, Backlund. Those are some good UFAs that could be flipped. Probably half of them are gone next year one way or the other so at least return some assets. Really hope they play it smart but will see. Hopefully Conroy sees the bigger picture.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think they could even risk removing players to make room for others by acquiring picks and prospects. If Kylington is back maybe they do ditch Hanifin for pure futures. If they want to take a bigger risk they could do something similar with Lindholm and Toffoli and run with Coronato/Pelltier/Zary and hope the bounce back of Huberdeau, Markstrom and Mangiapane with a more consistent Kadri this team can still be better next year even with the removal of some key pieces in exchange for youth

I'd be all for trading all 7 of the pending UFA's. This team is at a disadvantage in so many ways that it needs to be an asset rich team with a young core before it really looks to start adding pieces. Treliving spent to build the core and most year had a good team but was short high-end prospects and draft picks year in and year out due to trading picks year in and year out.

The best part of Conroy's situation taking this team is he actually has 5 or 6 guys that are in the 22-25 range that all can just step in next year.

Ruzicka
Pelletier
Zary
Duehr
Wolf

Phillips might be #6 but the first 5 need to play next year.

I'd also be ok if we kept some of the UFA's that want to stay if they are reasonable in their contract demands. Lindholm is the only guy I would pay big money too.

Kylington more than likely does not re-sign this summer and his trade value probably isn't that high. So, if he is back, I'm all for keeping him and trading Hanifin.

I'd also keep Stetcher.

If Lindholm did stay, I'd still move out everyone else and go forward with Lindholm and Kylington and the kids. It would be pretty exciting to see this team play with that much youth on the team and if they kept Lindholm and Kylington, they could be just as good if not better than last year if the guys you mentioned step up. I think all 3 of Huberdeau, Markstrom and Kadri will be better, and I'd add in Mangiapane to that list.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If Lindholm wants out then I think they may concede into a rebuild unless they get a top six centre back in a trade. The Flames only have Weeger and Andersson signed next year on D and they need more than depth players to emerge in the forward ranks. Tanev is getting older and Kylington is a total wildcard right now.

They will likely try and go re-tool trades but I don't see them getting younger players with similar upside and then will be drug into a rebuild the following season.

Kylington is truly a wild card. I think fans grossly overrate him. The core of a defenceman is to be good in your own zone. I found he was a total pushover on the defensive side against the boards, and that really bothers me with any defenceman. You have to have that as your core existence. I always found him scared when going to the corners. So right now he's a PP specialist or a bottom pairing with offensive upside. If a team is willing to overrate him, deal him for a 2nd rounder.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I'd be all for trading all 7 of the pending UFA's. This team is at a disadvantage in so many ways that it needs to be an asset rich team with a young core before it really looks to start adding pieces. Treliving spent to build the core and most year had a good team but was short high-end prospects and draft picks year in and year out due to trading picks year in and year out.

The best part of Conroy's situation taking this team is he actually has 5 or 6 guys that are in the 22-25 range that all can just step in next year.

Ruzicka
Pelletier
Zary
Duehr
Wolf

Phillips might be #6 but the first 5 need to play next year.

I'd also be ok if we kept some of the UFA's that want to stay if they are reasonable in their contract demands. Lindholm is the only guy I would pay big money too.

Kylington more than likely does not re-sign this summer and his trade value probably isn't that high. So, if he is back, I'm all for keeping him and trading Hanifin.

I'd also keep Stetcher.

If Lindholm did stay, I'd still move out everyone else and go forward with Lindholm and Kylington and the kids. It would be pretty exciting to see this team play with that much youth on the team and if they kept Lindholm and Kylington, they could be just as good if not better than last year if the guys you mentioned step up. I think all 3 of Huberdeau, Markstrom and Kadri will be better, and I'd add in Mangiapane to that list.

I've said it before and will say it again, I have zero positivity in thinking Markstrom will bounce back. I think mentally he's been shelled. The past year and a half some of the easiest goals have gone in at the worst time where to me it says he's broken. It's easy to lose it but it's hard to get back. I'd love if he could come back because he's a likeable person but since getting scored on by McDavid in the playoffs he lost it. I don't know the road back at his age. By virtue of Daryl not being there he gets somewhat better, but good enough to be a difference maker...doubtful.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I've said it before and will say it again, I have zero positivity in thinking Markstrom will bounce back. I think mentally he's been shelled. The past year and a half some of the easiest goals have gone in at the worst time where to me it says he's broken. It's easy to lose it but it's hard to get back. I'd love if he could come back because he's a likeable person but since getting scored on by McDavid in the playoffs he lost it. I don't know the road back at his age. By virtue of Daryl not being there he gets somewhat better, but good enough to be a difference maker...doubtful.

Kind of like Bobrovsky? I don't see why it's not possible, even likely that he bounces back. Vezina candidate? I never said to the level he was 2 years ago, just better than last year.

I see him and Wolf splitting games too.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Kind of like Bobrovsky? I don't see why it's not possible, even likely that he bounces back. Vezina candidate? I never said to the level he was 2 years ago, just better than last year.

I see him and Wolf splitting games too.

I'm not commenting on you at all. Just my personal belief based on what I seen. I can't say I've ever seen a goaltender that broken where consistently all year he was letting in houseleague goals at times. It was that terrible to me and I'm not exaggerating. Bob's revitalization has been remarkable. I don't think we can expect that exception.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

And players have been able to be UFAs since the league began.

You’ll need to explain why Gordie Howe never became a UFA.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Kind of like Bobrovsky? I don't see why it's not possible, even likely that he bounces back. Vezina candidate? I never said to the level he was 2 years ago, just better than last year.

I see him and Wolf splitting games too.

Possible, of course.

Likely, I can’t agree with that.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Possible, of course.

Likely, I can’t agree with that.

What’s your definition of bounce back? Within a couple points of his career average or all the way back to .922? I’d say .905 or better would be a bounce back considering league wide save percentage was down this year and seems to be still slowly trending down since goalie equipment was reduced.

Last year was .904 league wide so .905 in my books would be a bounce back season from .892.

[bluejays]

Hearing Burke talk on the radio show earlier he was talking about what to do in Toronto, and he says if Matthews is interested in signing, and if Marner is as well, then nothing else matters and the pecking order is to deal Nylander. If not Marner.

[Goriders]

I could care less how old the players are as long as they win games.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Kylington is truly a wild card. I think fans grossly overrate him. The core of a defenceman is to be good in your own zone. I found he was a total pushover on the defensive side against the boards, and that really bothers me with any defenceman. You have to have that as your core existence. I always found him scared when going to the corners. So right now he's a PP specialist or a bottom pairing with offensive upside. If a team is willing to overrate him, deal him for a 2nd rounder.

I agree that he's overrated, but as someone who watches him closely, I don't think he's a bad defensive player at all. True, he can be overpowered at times, and he does have the odd miscue (he's cut them down significantly), but he's got good positioning and a good stick. I do, however, wonder how well he would play away from Tanev (or a player of similar ilk), and if he's even going to be the same player coming back. Out of our top-4, Kylington should be the odd man out. I fear that if we were to trade Hanifin, suddenly our D looks weak.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You’ll need to explain why Gordie Howe never became a UFA.

He was signed as a free agent by Detroit in 1946, and after that he just extended because - well - ever meet him? He was not very bright and they took advantage of that.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I could care less how old the players are as long as they win games.

But if you have an old team that doesn’t win games a good situation can get real bad real quick. If you need to rebuild but nobody wants your players what do you do

Losing with a young team can still leave fans with a reason to be optimistic

[MacDaddy77]

There has to be something to work out with Anaheim

If they draft with #2 The will have
Zegras
McTavish
Fantilli
Lundestrom

All 1st round centres. They’re not going to play any of Zegras, McTavish or Fantilli on the 3rd line. What would it take to get either #2 pick or McTavish?