2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Has Conroy actually said he thinks they are close? The last one I heard was all about asset management and getting youth into the roster.

He has said it multiple times including in his hiring presser.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Lindholm isn't worth 3rd overall and a 24 1st and Keller probably has more value than Lindholm given the contract situation.

If Keller really wants out then the Flames can take some of the futures they get for Lindholm and package them towards Keller.

Lindholm may not be worth 3rd overall and a 2024 first but he may be worth 3rd overall and a 2024 first while also getting 6th overall back. Columbus still gets to pick in the top 10.


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[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

He has said it multiple times including in his hiring presser.

He explicitly said they cannot repeat what they did with Gaudreau and that young players are very important to new NHL and that asset management is key. If Lindholm is out then staying in the race will be much tougher and will decide the direction they go.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Lindholm may not be worth 3rd overall and a 2024 first but he may be worth 3rd overall and a 2024 first while also getting 6th overall back. Columbus still gets to pick in the top 10.


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Keller + 6th for 3OA + Sillinger or is much closer if Columbus wants a player to compete now.

[dammage79]

We all live in Elis Lindholms world now. Until we know what his intentions are for the future.

I suspect he's still wanting to be on the way out. I also think he won't know until the Flames have a coaching staff.


So pitter patter Conny, git er done.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Keller + 6th for 3OA + Sillinger or is much closer if Columbus wants a player to compete now.

Maybe. I would think Keller is worth more than moving 3 spots up and getting Sillinger. My trade proposal involving Calgary in the trade made it so every team gains something significant while losing something significant. This simple trade seems to favour Columbus a little more I think. I may be under-valuing Sillinger.


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[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

He explicitly said they cannot repeat what they did with Gaudreau and that young players are very important to new NHL and that asset management is key. If Lindholm is out then staying in the race will be much tougher and will decide the direction they go.

He said they can't have what happened with Gaudreau with Lindholm. Both him and Maloney have said on multiple occasions they thought this team underachieved, they felt close, and that if they ran the same roster back next year they would be a playoff team. The only thing Conroy has stated in regards to what he is looking for is another top 6 forward. Regardless of the moves Conroy decides to make we know he is not trading all 7 UFA's for futures, that is all I said before some posters got their knickers in a knot.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

He said they can't have what happened with Gaudreau with Lindholm. Both him and Maloney have said on multiple occasions they thought this team underachieved, they felt close, and that if they ran the same roster back next year they would be a playoff team. The only thing Conroy has stated in regards to what he is looking for is another top 6 forward. Regardless of the moves Conroy decides to make we know he is not trading all 7 UFA's for futures, that is all I said before some posters got their knickers in a knot.

I'd have go back a take a listen but I more remember they wanted to stay in the mix and were hoping for a big rebound from Markstrom. Lindholm will be the lynch pin on what they can do. I agree not all 7 UFAs will be goine foe futures unless they throw in the towel if Lindholm wants out. I am expecting re-tool trades.

[Hackey]

The Flames will struggle to make the playoffs next year so I'm not sure what he thinks they're close to. Lindholm and Hanifin are highly likely gone in a year or less. Your core is all older. The Flames window to hope to catch lightning in a bottle is basically next year if they can even make the playoffs.

[1qqaaz]

If Conroy actually allows for some of the young guys play, and Markstrom rebounds, then I think the Flames make the playoffs. The Flames play way better, and with way more energy, when they have more youth.

I think both will happen. But hopefully it's not a trap for asset management.

[Roof-Daddy]

I still find it funny that the team has their goalie go from 0.920 sv% to 0.890 sv% and their newly acquired star player go from 115 points to what...less than 60?

Despite that this team barely misses the playoffs on the back of about a bazillion 1 goal losses where they set the all time record for 1 goal losses while outshooting the opponent, yet a bunch of posters here think they should blow this thing sky high and start from scratch.

No thanks.

Get a good modern day coach, trade anyone who doesn't want to be here for as much as you can get, add/promote some youth and hope for a goaltending bounce back (Markstrom and/or Wolf) along with a Huberdeau rebound.

[The Cobra]

Keller just got 86 points on a terrible team, is 24 and signed very reasonably for 7 more years.

He has immense trade value.

I don't see many trade where a team can get better, younger and cheaper.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I still find it funny that the team has their goalie go from 0.920 sv% to 0.890 sv% and their newly acquired star player go from 115 points to what...less than 60?

Despite that this team barely misses the playoffs on the back of about a bazillion 1 goal losses where they set the all time record for 1 goal losses while outshooting the opponent, yet a bunch of posters here think they should blow this thing sky high and start from scratch.

No thanks.

Get a good modern day coach, trade anyone who doesn't want to be here for as much as you can get, add/promote some youth and hope for a goaltending bounce back (Markstrom and/or Wolf) along with a Huberdeau rebound.

This is the only year where they can run back the same team. If Lindholm and Hanifin want out they have no one to replace them internally. Hard to get excited for a team without a #1C, two top 4 dmen, and a top 6 forward or two.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bonded

This is the only year where they can run back the same team. If Lindholm and Hanifin want out they have no one to replace them internally. Hard to get excited for a team without a #1C, two top 4 dmen, and a top 6 forward or two.

Lindholm is hard to replace. Hanifin is a position of surplus for the team. I'd re-sign Lindholm and then trade Hanifin for a top line forward.

The Flames have the deepest farm team in the league, with several players showing lots of promise in the small stings they were given. I'd find it pretty shocking if they couldn't get at least two solid depth forwards out of the group that includes Duehr, Ruzicka, Pelletier, Zary, Phillips, Jones, Coronato etc....

Given the Huberdeau and Kadri contracts a total rebuild, at least this year, is very unlikely. The Flames should run it out one more, with a new coach, to at least see what they have.

[metroneck]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I still find it funny that the team has their goalie go from 0.920 sv% to 0.890 sv% and their newly acquired star player go from 115 points to what...less than 60?

Despite that this team barely misses the playoffs on the back of about a bazillion 1 goal losses where they set the all time record for 1 goal losses while outshooting the opponent...

If ever there was an argument to trot out a similar line-up, this is it.

However, contract statuses of key players that support that argument, muddy the water. Assets on at least 5 of the 7 need to be recouped.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by blankall

Lindholm is hard to replace. Hanifin is a position of surplus for the team. I'd re-sign Lindholm and then trade Hanifin for a top line forward.

The Flames have the deepest farm team in the league, with several players showing lots of promise in the small stings they were given. I'd find it pretty shocking if they couldn't get at least two solid depth forwards out of the group that includes Duehr, Ruzicka, Pelletier, Zary, Phillips, Jones, Coronato etc....

If Lindholm wants out then I think they may concede into a rebuild unless they get a top six centre back in a trade. The Flames only have Weeger and Andersson signed next year on D and they need more than depth players to emerge in the forward ranks. Tanev is getting older and Kylington is a total wildcard right now.

They will likely try and go re-tool trades but I don't see them getting younger players with similar upside and then will be drug into a rebuild the following season.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by blankall

Lindholm is hard to replace. Hanifin is a position of surplus for the team. I'd re-sign Lindholm and then trade Hanifin for a top line forward.

The Flames have the deepest farm team in the league, with several players showing lots of promise in the small stings they were given. I'd find it pretty shocking if they couldn't get at least two solid depth forwards out of the group that includes Duehr, Ruzicka, Pelletier, Zary, Phillips, Jones, Coronato etc....

Given the Huberdeau and Kadri contracts a total rebuild, at least this year, is very unlikely. The Flames should run it out one more, with a new coach, to at least see what they have.

Is he though? Remove him and you have Tanev (old and in a contract year himself), Zadorov (not a real comparable and in a contract year), Kylington (a real wild card and in a contract year) and a couple actually similar players in Weegar and Rasmus (an actual comparable).

Going ahead with only two good D men signed long term is not very attractive. Especially when D-men are harder to develop quickly and when Calgary has almost nothing in the system. I think people are depending waaaaay too much on Kylington, who wasn't as good as people seem to remember in rose colored hinsight goggles, and who may need a long time to get back into form (and then needs a new contract).

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by metroneck

If ever there was an argument to trot out a similar line-up, this is it.

However, contract statuses of key players that support that argument, muddy the water. Assets on at least 5 of the 7 need to be recouped.

Yup, over the two seasons most of the contracts will turn over on the team. If they had some term on them then I'd support basically doing nothing and banking on a bounce back

[GioforPM]

You know, I hate that, for example, a 6 year contract is really now only a 5 year contract, because you have to trade or extend a guy in his last year. Most players and GMs usually had real agreement that negotiations were off-season affairs. Somehow it's gradually become a thing where you have to have a contract extended by the begnning of the final year or else that year is moot.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You know, I hate that, for example, a 6 year contract is really now only a 5 year contract, because you have to trade or extend a guy in his last year. Most players and GMs usually had real agreement that negotiations were off-season affairs. Somehow it's gradually become a thing where you have to have a contract extended by the beginning of the final year or else that year is moot.

Since players could become UFA's, it always been this way. It was alwasy risky to wait until the contract was completed.