2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Knut]

Once again. I think you trade all 7 guys for as much as you get your hands on. The Sign UFA players to plug a few spots while letting the kids like Pelletier, Zary and Coronato play.

Recoup the costs, do a retool and go for it again next year

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Knut

Once again. I think you trade all 7 guys for as much as you get your hands on. The Sign UFA players to plug a few spots while letting the kids like Pelletier, Zary and Coronato play.

Recoup the costs, do a retool and go for it again next year

This is the important part.

This roster was not cheap to build. It cost the team a lot of future assets, hence the depleted prospect pool. These deals with 1-year remaining on them should absolutely be used to make the depth charts "whole" again.

We seem to have a pretty strong scouting team, make use of it.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Knut

Once again. I think you trade all 7 guys for as much as you get your hands on. The Sign UFA players to plug a few spots while letting the kids like Pelletier, Zary and Coronato play.

Recoup the costs, do a retool and go for it again next year

This isn't happening.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Knut

Once again. I think you trade all 7 guys for as much as you get your hands on. The Sign UFA players to plug a few spots while letting the kids like Pelletier, Zary and Coronato play.

Recoup the costs, do a retool and go for it again next year

I think you are wrong here. This team has a poor D pipeline and you suggest moving on from 4 of our regular 6 Dmen? I for one think Kylington is a piece they should look at keeping long term as he brings something we sorely missed from the back end last year. Hanifin is someone I keep at the right price but if he wants too much or simply wants to move on then that won’t work and he should be dealt.

Tanev to me is a guy who will want to be here and would be willing to sign 1 year deals moving forward. He is not someone I push out the door but if the right deal can be made you move him.

Zadorov is in the same boat for me. The right deal sure but if all we ca. get back is a 3rd rounder I would keep him as he fills a role as a 4-6 Dman who can be quite physical

Up front I preferably keep 1 of Lindholm and Backlund and right now I lean toward Backlund. I think he is more invested in the team and city and would also sign a hometown discount deal if he is given the C. I think Lindy might want out regardless but he certainly is not taking any discounts after being extremely underpaid for his last deal.

Toffoli is someone I bring back on the right terms but if he wants the big money long term deal then he needs to be traded.

I would get rid of about half the guys but definitely not all of them and definitely not all right away. Lindholm, Hanifin are really the only 2 in my opinion who must be dealt with one way or another before the season starts and either be extended or traded. I personally lean toward trading both

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Personally I can’t see any of those teams doing a trade. They’ve mostly all decided to do a varying retool or rebuild. I think Lindholm goes to a team higher ranked looking to take them over the hump. To me that fit is Buffalo at pick 13. They don’t need younger capital and can use an older player to take them into the playoffs. Lindholm plus a 2nd rounder next year for this years 13th is what I can see.

As mentioned, Buffalo doesn’t make sense with Thompson and Cozens.

My pick would be Detroit making a move. 18th OA should absolutely be in play.

It would be basically flipping Hronek+ for Lindholm, a position of strength for them to grab a center that can duo with Larkin.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This isn't happening.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

As mentioned, Buffalo doesn’t make sense with Thompson and Cozens.

My pick would be Detroit making a move. 18th OA should absolutely be in play.

It would be basically flipping Hronek+ for Lindholm, a position of strength for them to grab a center that can duo with Larkin.

While I can’t say for sure, I’m skeptical of Detroit making any moves because of Yzerman. He didn’t have to deal Bertuzzi. I’d have thought they’d build more with him. But that’s thrown my thoughts that he still wants to build through the draft instead of adding vets.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Sec214

The management has literally come out and said they think the group is close. Yes, they can't keep all 7 UFA's but they sure as hell are not trading them all. I always find it weird when the people who control the team says they are going to do this and then the people clamouring for something else get upset when that doesn't meet their vision. They are not trading all 7 UFA's, it isn't happening.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The management has literally come out and said they think the group is close. Yes, they can't keep all 7 UFA's but they sure as hell are not trading them all. I always find it weird when the people who control the team says they are going to do this and then the people clamouring for something else get upset when that doesn't meet their vision. They are not trading all 7 UFA's, it isn't happening.

Has Conroy actually said he thinks they are close? The last one I heard was all about asset management and getting youth into the roster.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The management has literally come out and said they think the group is close. Yes, they can't keep all 7 UFA's but they sure as hell are not trading them all. I always find it weird when the people who control the team says they are going to do this and then the people clamouring for something else get upset when that doesn't meet their vision. They are not trading all 7 UFA's, it isn't happening.

Shop 5 of them before Trade Deadline, I think 2 are moved before the season starts.

I think 1 of the 7 is signed before the seasons starts.

[Monahammer]

Our board has a Jim Cramer.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Shop 5 of them before Trade Deadline, I think 2 are moved before the season starts.

I think 1 of the 7 is signed before the seasons starts.

Yup, can't go with all 7 into the deadline

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Knut

Once again. I think you trade all 7 guys for as much as you get your hands on. The Sign UFA players to plug a few spots while letting the kids like Pelletier, Zary and Coronato play.

Recoup the costs, do a retool and go for it again next year

If they trade all 7, they aren't going for it anytime soon, much less next year.

[stemit14]

How about an attempt at a re-tool type of trade? A complicated trade involving Calgary, Arizona and Columbus. My assumption with making this trade proposal is that Columbus wants Lindholm and not Keller because they need more size considering they already have Johnston and Gaudreau - and because of the Gaudreau and Lindholm chemistry. Another assumption is that Keller wants out and the Coyotes want to move up in the draft. Also, this allows Columbus to trade for Lindholm without dropping out of the top ten picks in the 2023 draft.

To Columbus:
- Extended Lindholm (from calgary)
- 6th overall pick (from Phoenix)

To Calgary:
- Clayton Keller (from Phoenix)
- 12th overall pick (from Phoenix)

To Arizona:
- 3rd overall pick (from Columbus)
- 16th overall pick (from Calgary)
- 34th overall pick (from Columbus)
- 48th overall pick (from Calgary)
- Conditional first round pick in 2024 (from Columbus)

I know it looks like Calgary is getting Keller and moving up in the draft without paying anything to Arizona but if you look at it as Calgary getting Columbus’s 2024 first round pick and 2023 2nd round pick then and flipping that to Arizona while also allowing Arizona to get into the top 3 in the draft, I think it makes more sense.

Columbus:
Pros: Get the centre they want for Gaudreau and still get to pick in the top 10 of this draft.
Cons: give up a high second round pick this year and lottery-protected first round pick next next year.

Calgary:
Pros: gets a replacement player for Gaudreau that is signed for 5 more years and doesn’t have to pay a first round pick for him. Moves up 3 spots in this years draft.
Cons: Loses its top centre (and overall better player than Keller). Gives up their second round pick in this draft.

Arizona:
Pros: moves into the top 3 in this draft. Gets a first round pick next year and two second round picks this year for a player that is rumoured to want out due to the circumstances in Arizona right now.
Cons: loses their best player that is on their current roster who just had a career year. Drops down 4 spots with their second pick in the first round (from 12th to 16th).


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[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by NewFan

For me, I don't want trade Lindholm, Hanifin or Backlund just for draft picks.
I'd like to get good prospects and plus some draft picks.

I expect that’s what the Flames will be looking for. They’re not interested in rebuilding, so they’ll target players and prospects in the 20-23 range. So players who will contribute in the next 1-3 seasons, not 4-5.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If they trade all 7, they aren't going for it anytime soon, much less next year.

It depends what you get back really. You could target close to NHL ready Dmen for example to build up the depth there.

If I were GM i would move Lindholm, Toffoli, Hanifin for premium rebuilding assets back.

I would see what Zadorov returns in a deal and decide on him based on that.

Tanev likely does not return more than a 2nd, so I am fine with him staying if needed.

Kylington you could see how he does as you likely can not return his value back at the moment.

Move Backlund if he doesnt want to sign for a home town discount and take the C. Can likely recoup a couple 2nds worth of value from him.

Keep the assets and draft capital.

Then offer contracts to Dumba, O'Reilly, Bunting and Orlov. Other interesting UFAs are killorn, Compher, Gostisbehere, Severson, Graves, Domi, Tarasenko, Barbashev.

You now have room for the Young Forwards to come in. Supplement with Vets and have a tonne of extra organizational depth all of a sudden.

Sure you overpay for UFA's but its a free asset. You now have a roster that is not much worse than last year, more organizational depth and room for the young forwards to come in.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by stemit14

How about an attempt at a re-tool type of trade? A complicated trade involving Calgary, Arizona and Columbus. My assumption with making this trade proposal is that Columbus wants Lindholm and not Keller because they need more size considering they already have Johnston and Gaudreau - and because of the Gaudreau and Lindholm chemistry. Another assumption is that Keller wants out and the Coyotes want to move up in the draft. Also, this allows Columbus to trade for Lindholm without dropping out of the top ten picks in the 2023 draft.

To Columbus:
- Extended Lindholm (from calgary)
- 6th overall pick (from Phoenix)

To Calgary:
- Clayton Keller (from Phoenix)
- 12th overall pick (from Phoenix)

To Arizona:
- 3rd overall pick (from Columbus)
- 16th overall pick (from Calgary)
- 34th overall pick (from Columbus)
- 48th overall pick (from Calgary)
- Conditional first round pick in 2024 (from Columbus)

I know it looks like Calgary is getting Keller and moving up in the draft without paying anything to Arizona but if you look at it as Calgary getting Columbus’s 2024 first round pick and 2023 2nd round pick then and flipping that to Phoenix while also allowing Phoenix to get into the top 3 in the draft, I think it makes more sense.

Columbus:
Pros: Get the centre they want for Gaudreau and still get to pick in the top 10 of this draft.
Cons: give up a high second round pick this year and lottery-protected first round pick next next year.

Calgary:
Pros: gets a replacement player for Gaudreau that is signed for 5 more years and doesn’t have to pay a first round pick for him. Moves up 3 spots in this years draft.
Cons: Loses its top centre (and overall better player than Keller). Gives up their second round pick in this draft.

Arizona:
Pros: moves into the top 3 in this draft. Gets a first round pick next year and two second round picks this year for a player that is rumoured to want out due to the circumstances in Arizona right now.
Cons: loses their best player that is on their current roster who just had a career year. Drops down 4 spots with their second pick in the first round (from 12th to 16th).


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Damn you deserve a like just for thinking about all that. 😂

[Bonded]

Lindholm isn't worth 3rd overall and a 24 1st and Keller probably has more value than Lindholm given the contract situation.

If Keller really wants out then the Flames can take some of the futures they get for Lindholm and package them towards Keller.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The team and Tanev especially missed Kylington last season. Some of the advanced stats had them as a top 4 pairing in most categories.

I also think he saved Tanevs body from taking a lot of hits as he himself takes a beating but his ability to move the puck and skate really helps him out.

We need to keep him.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

As mentioned, Buffalo doesn’t make sense with Thompson and Cozens.

My pick would be Detroit making a move. 18th OA should absolutely be in play.

It would be basically flipping Hronek+ for Lindholm, a position of strength for them to grab a center that can duo with Larkin.

The Wings also have a lot of good prospects in the 19-22 age range, which I expect the Flames will be more interested in than picks. I’d rate them one of the top candidates (along with CAR and CBJ) if Lindholm goes on the market.