Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

3/4 of the national debt is from Harper and Mulroney.

Citation needed.

None of the numbers I can dig up show anything remotely close to this. Not saying you’re wrong, but the numbers I can calculate are closer to 30-35%.

[PepsiFree]

Trudeau already met with the provinces about Trump’s ramblings, and asked that everyone come together as a unified front. Ford took it seriously. Smith immediately went full idiot.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by curves2000

You are allowed your personal opinion but the amount of people who think that Singh has been a really good NDP leader can probably fit into a room. He never got credit for some of things like you said but the level of propping up Trudeau, the tone deafness on policies and the complete loss of working class/middle class voter to the CPC is shocking.

The NDP used to be a force butt now they are just a shadow of their former selves

What did they accomplish “as a force” vs what they’ve accomplished “as a shadow”?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Okay I read your post summary. I address each item.

CBC funding. Media should be arms length from government. Their job is to hold government accountable. Government funded media isn’t going to do that. It’s a conflict of interest that doesn’t benefit the country. Grants for content is different. But paying salaries isn’t a good idea in my mind.

WEF attendance. Don’t see what value this really adds to Canada. Policy making should happen within our borders. It shouldn’t be molded externally. Maybe influenced by global trends such as trade strategies. But Canadians should be forming their own policies to benefit Canadians.

Carbon tax. Why would you have any problems with paying less taxes. This is one I don’t understand. Do you think the government does a better job spending you money than you do. It’s becoming pretty obvious that they don’t.

Spending under control. Once again. It’s fairly obvious that governments are one of the least fiscally responsible entities. Why do they not have to follow general guidelines of budgeting restraint like every other canadian? What happens to regular people if they blow through their budgets and generate a ton of debt. How is it any different. The debt they are generating has to get paid back by the citizens at some point. There are consequences to debt.

Native concerns. I didn’t quite understand what you were getting at with this one.

Alt right comments. I think eventually the left vs right compartmentalization needs to subside and voters need to vote for the best leaders. Canada is very light on true leaders in it’s levels of government right now. Municipally, provincially and especially federally. We are all paying a price for that now. The left vs right infighting is just noise. It doesn’t add any value.

How do you feel about the IDU, and Harper and Pierre's involvement in that? Is that not the same thing?

https://www.idu.org/members/

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Nancy

Harper gets a pass because of the 2008 financial crisis. No excuses for Mulroney, though.

Sure do miss Paul Martin.



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EDIT: Source is Fraser Institute, but it is consistent with the data I see on Stats Can.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/site...ation-2022.pdf

Does Trudeau get a pass for COVID?

I'm willing to give both Harper and Trudeau small passes for both; however, Trudeau has had trouble reigning it in at all and Harper GST cut "balanced" the budget during one of the biggest economic bubbles up to that point. Canada had a 10bil surplus when Martin left and that should have continued to pay down debt.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I don’t know about that. I’m really not sure what use there is addressing it either and I think Trump is joking and quite frankly who cares if he isn’t?

Agreed. I think the best approach is to ignore it. Acknowledging the comments or reacting to them just plays into Trump's narcissistic desire for attention. Ignoring him probably bothers him more than anything.

[Patek23]

I think the NDP are probably in a pickle either way. They’re going to wear egg on their face for propping up this government, and Singh’s grandstanding—claiming he will no longer support this government and then continuing to do so—looks bad to anyone who isn’t already an NDP supporter and doesn’t see it as a necessary evil to help push policy forward.

If they call an election now, they will lose their current influence but might be able to gain seats by campaigning as the only viable left option. The Liberals are looking like the Titanic at the moment. If the NDP uses the Liberal playbook and paints PP as the boogeyman, they might gain momentum despite their low polling numbers and Singh’s low popularity for the reasons mentioned above. They could likely maintain some influence and relevance as the opposition party.

Option B is to continue propping up the Liberals, giving them time to clean up and potentially replace Trudeau. This would allow the Liberals to rebrand on the fly and likely regain some of the votes currently on the table. The probable result of that approach would be a Conservative minority government, the Liberals as the opposition, and the NDP slipping back into obscurity.

Is several months of pushing policy worth helping the other team rebuild and rebrand? I’m not so sure it’s as cut-and-dry as some of the more left-leaning posters make it out to be.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Does Trudeau get a pass for COVID?

I'm willing to give both Harper and Trudeau small passes for both; however, Trudeau has had trouble reigning it in at all and Harper GST cut "balanced" the budget during one of the biggest economic bubbles up to that point. Canada had a 10bil surplus when Martin left and that should have continued to pay down debt.

Trudeau does get a pass from COVID.

In comparison to the fraud that the US is trying to hide because of COVID, Canada, seemed to do okay for how quickly money was being sent out.

Harper does not get a pass because he cut the GST rate, but he did other good things.

Then again Trudeau has done some good things as well.

Just like PP is going to do some good things.

The bigger issue here is that politicians tend to start living in an alternative reality once they stay in power too long.

For Trudeau that was the last election cycle, but the Liberal apologists had their head to far up his ass to realize that his time was past and now we have a much bigger mess which should be shocking to no one.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Azure

Trudeau does get a pass from COVID.

In comparison to the fraud that the US is trying to hide because of COVID, Canada, seemed to do okay for how quickly money was being sent out.

Harper does not get a pass because he cut the GST rate, but he did other good things.

Then again Trudeau has done some good things as well.

Just like PP is going to do some good things.

The bigger issue here is that politicians tend to start living in an alternative reality once they stay in power too long.

For Trudeau that was the last election cycle, but the Liberal apologists had their head to far up his ass to realize that his time was past and now we have a much bigger mess which should be shocking to no one.

Heres a few things...

First of all, I think Canada did fairly well during COVID all things considered, I'm not going to give him a 'Pass' per se, but the Policies enacted were as good as could be given the circumstances.

However, lets not forget, he did try to sneak in an unlimited spending bill that even his own party refused to vote for, and he did hold an election during a Pandemic.

Furthermore, during his 'WE Scandal' days...lets not forget about that clownshow, he threw the Public Service under the Bus in order to feed his highly-unreliable friends who were paying his family.

Pursuant to which, when COVID hit Service Canada was completely unable to get supports out to Canadians so Revenue Canada had to do it and that whole thing was a debacle of monumental proportions.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Locke

However, lets not forget, he did try to sneak in an unlimited spending bill that even his own party refused to vote for, and he did hold an election during a Pandemic.

Thank goodness that never passed otherwise we’d be potentially dealing with things like them running $60B deficits

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Nancy

Harper gets a pass because of the 2008 financial crisis. No excuses for Mulroney, though.

Sure do miss Paul Martin.



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EDIT: Source is Fraser Institute, but it is consistent with the data I see on Stats Can.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/site...ation-2022.pdf

Which fridge box would you be living in? A LG or a Whirlpool?

When Harpy and Flaherty wanted to deregulate the banks and them getting into subprime mortgagest before 2008? Canada would have been in the same boat as the US if Paul Martin didn't stop them.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Already free after being part of a robbery and car chase that killed a bunch of people. Seems like a pretty clear example of a criminal that we would surely want to deport out of our country.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...tion-1.7412649



Passenger in deadly Highway 401 wrong-way crash pleads guilty, released on probation

A Toronto-area man involved in a robbery in April — leading to a high-speed police chase and a deadly wrong-way crash on a busy highway — has been released on probation and warned he may still face "immigration consequences."

The fiery, multi-vehicle collision on Highway 401 in Whitby, Ont., which remains under investigation by Ontario's police watchdog, killed four people, including an infant.

An Oshawa, Ont., court heard last month that he acted as the "lookout" during the liquor store robbery in nearby Clarington on April 29, according to records reviewed by CBC News.

"I understand that … there's the potential for immigration consequences," Wood said. Gill's status in Canada is unclear.

Speaking through a Punjabi-language interpreter in court last month, he pleaded guilty to three counts, including the lesser charge of theft under $5,000. Other charges were withdrawn.

Gill also pleaded guilty to breaching probation and a release order. Court heard it was the second time in the past two years that he was found to be breaching his bail conditions, as Gill struggled with opioid addiction.

Left unsaid during the November hearing was the deadly cascade of events set off after Gill and an accomplice stole $1,602.80 worth of booze.

According to Durham Regional Police, a suspect pulled a knife on an off-duty officer at the store, then took off in a U-Haul van. The chase ended in a multi-vehicle crash that killed three-month-old Aditya Vivaan and his two paternal grandparents visiting from India. The infant's parents were also both injured.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1866573600821780831

https://torontosun.com/news/national...rtation-orders

Nearly 30,000 individuals wanted for deportation are currently at large in Canada, newly-released documents suggest.

In a response to an order paper question filed by Fort McMurray-Cold Lake MP Laila Goodridge on deportation cases currently before the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA), 29,731 people are listed as “wanted” by immigration authorities — described as those who failed to appear for deportation proceedings, including those with immigration warrants issued against them.

According to the newly-released data, there are 457,646 people in various stages of being deported from Canada as of Oct. 21

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Nancy

Harper gets a pass because of the 2008 financial crisis. No excuses for Mulroney, though.

Sure do miss Paul Martin.



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EDIT: Source is Fraser Institute, but it is consistent with the data I see on Stats Can.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/site...ation-2022.pdf

I hate the Fraser institute presentation of factual data. Red for debt increase makes sense but blue for decreases is not a typical colour.

But worse is that the table that is essentially the heart of the paper. Per capita % increase over prime minister tenure doesn’t take into account the length of the tenure. That makes it useless as a comparative tool.

Factually correct intentionally misleading.

But looking at Harper following Chrétien and Martin you can really see the meaningful negative affect the GST cut had on our ability to pay down debt.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by GGG

I hate the Fraser institute presentation of factual data. Red for debt increase makes sense but blue for decreases is not a typical colour.

But worse is that the table that is essentially the heart of the paper. Per capita % increase over prime minister tenure doesn’t take into account the length of the tenure. That makes it useless as a comparative tool.

Factually correct intentionally misleading.

But looking at Harper following Chrétien and Martin you can really see the meaningful negative affect the GST cut had on our ability to pay down debt.

I think it's red for Liberals and blue for Conservatives

[shotinthebacklund]

Canadian Dollar just keeps on crashing. Lost over a cent today alone.

[Ozy_Flame]

Also, as far as I can tell, that chart doesn't account for inflation. We'd need to see numbers for inflation-adjusted federal debt per person. This would provide a clearer picture of how the debt burden is evolving relative to the purchasing power of the currency and the economy's overall output. Or in other words, Real Debt per captia.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Azure

Trudeau does get a pass from COVID.

In comparison to the fraud that the US is trying to hide because of COVID, Canada, seemed to do okay for how quickly money was being sent out.

Harper does not get a pass because he cut the GST rate, but he did other good things.

Then again Trudeau has done some good things as well.

Just like PP is going to do some good things.

The bigger issue here is that politicians tend to start living in an alternative reality once they stay in power too long.

For Trudeau that was the last election cycle, but the Liberal apologists had their head to far up his ass to realize that his time was past and now we have a much bigger mess which should be shocking to no one.

That’s human nature and why there should be term limits and a mechanism to remove governments if a majority agrees.

[shotinthebacklund]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/why-...-yet-1.7150763


The leader of the NDP.... What a fool.

Can anyone please point to a source that shows PP making the cuts he speaks about here.



The NDP polling is about to collapse.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

Canadian Dollar just keeps on crashing. Lost over a cent today alone.

That's what happens when the spread between the BoC and the Fed starts getting too big. Sure there is a lot of other factors, but the biggest driver right now is 3.25% compared to 4.25-4.5%

[chemgear]

Lol, thought this was the Beaverton.

https://www.thetimes.com/world/us-wo...nges-3lqn6ttht

Justin Trudeau appoints his babysitter to tackle border security

Justin Trudeau has tasked his childhood babysitter with implementing sweeping security measures along Canada’s border with the US.