2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

No, he'll be 29 at the start of his next contract.

He’ll be 29 at the start of next season. 2 months after that he’ll be 30z

So yeah, technically you are right but the point still stands he will be a 30 yrs old with a long term expensive contract. It would be alright except we already have several of those.

None of those other guys have as much value in trades. Lindholm is very attractive, take advantage of that and rebuild/retool.

The option is pretty clear to me

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Lindholm has massive value. He is a great example of where CPers are criminally underrating his value. Normally CP massively overrates a player but in this instance, with that remaining contract price and his ability / potential, like, yes- this guy should be getting a ####ing massive haul. Sorry.

No one questions Lindholm’s current skill.

But he will need an 8 year contract which will end when he is 38.

That negates his value to some extent, as many teams will look at him as a rental.

Lindholm has been playing for a contract quite a bit less than his true value. I don’t expect he’ll take any kind of discount.

True, he has very good value, but it will be more of what Horvat brought in.

[Royle9]

Lindholm is far and away better than Horvat.
I don’t know why people are using Horvat as a comparable.

[ForeverFlameFan]

We’re assuming our only option is Columbus, let’s look at other potential candidates in the top 10:

Washington: are they retooling? And in what way? They’ve got 8th overall, but perhaps they know it’s essential to grab a player that will eventually replace the offense of Ovechkin and Backstrom.

Detroit: Have 9th and 18th overall. Lindholm for 9th and a 2nd rounder or 18th + a very good prospect and a 2nd/1st in 2024 wouldn’t be bad

STL: Have 10th, 25th, and 29th. Wouldn’t mind Hanifin as a candidate for one of those picks.

Also not forgetting Colombus has 22nd OA.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

We’re assuming our only option is Columbus, let’s look at other potential candidates in the top 10:

Washington: are they retooling? And in what way? They’ve got 8th overall, but perhaps they know it’s essential to grab a player that will eventually replace the offense of Ovechkin and Backstrom.

Detroit: Have 9th and 18th overall. Lindholm for 9th and a 2nd rounder or 18th + a very good prospect and a 2nd/1st in 2024 wouldn’t be bad

STL: Have 10th, 25th, and 29th. Wouldn’t mind Hanifin as a candidate for one of those picks.

Also not forgetting Colombus has 22nd OA.

Dig into the cap situation of some of those teams and a deal gets a lot tougher to manage. The Blues’ top five d-men are all 30+ and are all signed to term with cap hits of 6.5, 6.5, 6.5, 4, and 3.3. They can’t fit Hanifin in without moving at least one of those contracts. But the players are pretty much all under-performing their caps hits, and moving them will not be easy. So the cost of bringing in Hanifin becomes the cost of moving out those contracts plus the cost the Flames would want for him. The Blues would have to assess if an upgrade from, say, Faulk to Hanifin is really worth all those assets.

And to complicate things further, all of those d-men have NTCs.

This is why trades are so difficult (and rare) in today’s NHL.

[Scroopy Noopers]

If the Flames add a pick in the 10-20 range I’d still be ecstatic.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Lindholm is far and away better than Horvat.
I don’t know why people are using Horvat as a comparable.

Their lifetime stats per 82 games are pretty close and they are the same age, so the comparison is expected.

Lindholm is 22-34-56.
Horvat is 26-29-55.

I like Lindholm more, but it's not a huge gap, and, maybe no gap at all.

[NewFan]

For me, I don't want trade Lindholm, Hanifin or Backlund just for draft picks.
I'd like to get good prospects and plus some draft picks.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

We’re assuming our only option is Columbus, let’s look at other potential candidates in the top 10:

Washington: are they retooling? And in what way? They’ve got 8th overall, but perhaps they know it’s essential to grab a player that will eventually replace the offense of Ovechkin and Backstrom.

Detroit: Have 9th and 18th overall. Lindholm for 9th and a 2nd rounder or 18th + a very good prospect and a 2nd/1st in 2024 wouldn’t be bad

STL: Have 10th, 25th, and 29th. Wouldn’t mind Hanifin as a candidate for one of those picks.

Also not forgetting Colombus has 22nd OA.

Personally I can’t see any of those teams doing a trade. They’ve mostly all decided to do a varying retool or rebuild. I think Lindholm goes to a team higher ranked looking to take them over the hump. To me that fit is Buffalo at pick 13. They don’t need younger capital and can use an older player to take them into the playoffs. Lindholm plus a 2nd rounder next year for this years 13th is what I can see.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by NewFan

For me, I don't want trade Lindholm, Hanifin or Backlund just for draft picks.
I'd like to get good prospects and plus some draft picks.

I'd like to see a block buster. Hanifin and lindholm for cbj's 1st, 2nd and Sillinger.

[Poe969]

Did Treliving ever add a first round pick? Did he ever draft twice in the first round with the Flames?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Personally I can’t see any of those teams doing a trade. They’ve mostly all decided to do a varying retool or rebuild. I think Lindholm goes to a team higher ranked looking to take them over the hump. To me that fit is Buffalo at pick 13. They don’t need younger capital and can use an older player to take them into the playoffs. Lindholm plus a 2nd rounder next year for this years 13th is what I can see.

The Sabres are set at C with Thompson and Cozens. So they’d be bringing in Lindholm to play RW, which would probably affect his value.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Did Treliving ever add a first round pick? Did he ever draft twice in the first round with the Flames?

Florida is the only one I remember off the top of my head

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Did Treliving ever add a first round pick? Did he ever draft twice in the first round with the Flames?

Trading 1st round picks was his thing, not acquiring them. He did get the Panther's 1st round pick in the Tkachuk trade but in typical Treliving fashion it was burning a hole in his pocket so he used it as currency to enable the signing of a 32 year old forward to a long term deal.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Their lifetime stats per 82 games are pretty close and they are the same age, so the comparison is expected.

Lindholm is 22-34-56.
Horvat is 26-29-55.

I like Lindholm more, but it's not a huge gap, and, maybe no gap at all.

And Monahan has better lifetime stats per 82 then both these players. What's your point?

Last 5 years
Lindholm - 369 games, 139 goals, 186 assists, 325 points, 0.88 pts/g, +99
Horvat - 356 games, 137 goals, 138 assists, 275 points, 0.77 pts/g, -23

Lindholm is clearly the better player both defensively and offensively as we sit here today.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Sabres are set at C with Thompson and Cozens. So they’d be bringing in Lindholm to play RW, which would probably affect his value.

True. Maybe not so great a fit in that case. Nobody’s going to pay him $8.5M to be on the third line.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

And Monahan has better lifetime stats per 82 then both these players. What's your point?

Last 5 years
Lindholm - 369 games, 139 goals, 186 assists, 325 points, 0.88 pts/g, +99
Horvat - 356 games, 137 goals, 138 assists, 275 points, 0.77 pts/g, -23

Lindholm is clearly the better player both defensively and offensively as we sit here today.

Thanks, was just about to post the same.
The comparison isn't even close, and the media says the same.
This is without adding in the relationship and chemistry already established between Johnny and Elias, that holds value as you know the 2 had career years with each other, often times guys are brought in hoping they develop instant chemistry with top line guys and it doesn't pan out (see Lindholm + Huberdeau)

If Columbus wants Lindholm, and in fact are offering the 3rd this is the perfect start to Craig putting his stamp on the franchise. Exciting, I hope its at least something they discuss/look at.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Trading 1st round picks was his thing, not acquiring them. He did get the Panther's 1st round pick in the Tkachuk trade but in typical Treliving fashion it was burning a hole in his pocket so he used it as currency to enable the signing of a 32 year old forward to a long term deal.

I’m really curious see if this was Treliving philosophy or a Flames philosophy. I suspect it’s the later. To be fair, Treliving did acquire a few 2nd’s early in his tenure. The 2015 Flames really changed the trajectory.

The only time, recently, the Flames had multiple first round picks was because their hand was forced and, frankly, they waited too long to trade Iginla and ended up getting penny’s on the dollar. Had they traded Iginla a couple years earlier than they did they could have received much more. IIRC, the Kings had offered a very young recent 5th OA pick in Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmond’s and a 1st?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Thanks, was just about to post the same.
The comparison isn't even close, and the media says the same.
This is without adding in the relationship and chemistry already established between Johnny and Elias, that holds value as well as you know the 2 had career years with eachother, often times guys are brought in hoping the develop instant chemistry with top line guys and it doesn't pan out (see Lindholm + Huberdeau)

If Columbus wants Lindholm, and in fact are offering the 3rd this is the perfect start to Craig putting his stamp on the franchise. Exciting, I hope its at least something they discuss/look at.

Good points.

If Calgary can get the 3OA for Lindholm, they should jump at it, and I expect they would. Or at least I hope they would.

[Burning Beard]

A few first rounders would make for an exciting draft this year. Here's hoping!