[Trade] Andersson (50% retained) to Vegas for 27 1st, cond 28 2nd, Whitecloud, Wiebe

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Cobra

So are you trying to say you think Carlo is better than Andersson.

You see, Andersson is no longer afforded the protection of being a Flames player so Dino will flip the script and say he sucks, forever now.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

You likely do get more last year due to some term left , but the career year helps equalize it a bit.

My guess is last year the discussion would have been more around something like:

1st
2nd
B Prospect (Minten type)

So slightly More than the Carlo deal for sure (an additional 2nd), but still similar to what it returned now. Which is still more than the Carlo deal.

He also had a broken foot at the time of the deadline last year which complicates things a bit

I think a big difference is the valuation of Minten as you probably rate him more as an A prospect. Which with the benefit of hindsight is maybe fair.

But at the time if the trade last year I'd have been pissed if the Flames moved a 1st for him, and would have had his value as more of that of a 2nd rounder.

I don't think Andersson would have gotten as much last year. This year he looks like the kind of player that could help a team go on a serious run in the playoffs, last year not so much. The second year might have been worth something if a team expected that he would rebound, but for team wanting to go all in last year, I can't imagine too many would want to give a lot at the time.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Does this trade mean Conroy has autonomy in his decisions? Are the skeptics convinced yet?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Maybe, but even with a center prospect it would have been significantly better than the actual return we got. We have a ton of depth at D, both the prospect and Whitecloud are a waste as players to this team. Whiteclouds value (IMO) is as a trade chip only.

The Flames drafted 3 centers with their first 3 picks last year. I would guess they will draft at least 3 more in the first two rounds of the 2026 and 2027 drafts. The only concern around center depth is based around whether the Flames want to be competitive right now because they are definitely filling the pipeline in that regard and will likely continue to do so.

Will have to see how Minten turns out but guys who don’t score in junior rarely become offensive players in the NHL. I would guess the Flames missed out on a 3rd line center by missing out on Minten.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Carlo has never had a minus season in his entire NHL career...Ras is better offensively but Carlo is way better defensively

You can speculate but we will never know what was available or not

Based on plus /minus?

Tsk., tsk.

Andersson is twice the dman Carlo is.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Does this trade mean Conroy has autonomy in his decisions? Are the skeptics convinced yet?

Why would it? He traded a UFA to be.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

People keep saying this was good value for a rental. Let's be honest here, this is not a rental, we all know Andersson has every intention of signing there. We just didn't get the extra return for it being done on our side.

Of course it was a rental. Vegas didn't have to give up any assets at all in order to sign Andersson in July, and they knew it. Everything they did give up was for the sake of getting him in January instead.

[Ped]

Toronto overpaid for Carlo by a lot, but a lot of people still thought he was an extremely effective defensive blueliner, which hadn't been actually true for a couple of years. But Treliving thought the Leafs defence needed "snarl" and "toughness" and so he blew his wad.

[Sandman]

Just to throw it out there, I think Whitecloud is a very underrated pickup- he’s just not the right age of player we should be looking to acquire right now. We’re really going to like him though.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Just to throw it out there, I think Whitecloud is a very underrated pickup- he’s just not the right age of player we should be looking to acquire right now. We’re really going to like him though.

Poor man's Tanev.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Flames drafted 3 centers with their first 3 picks last year. I would guess they will draft at least 3 more in the first two rounds of the 2026 and 2027 drafts. The only concern around center depth is based around whether the Flames want to be competitive right now because they are definitely filling the pipeline in that regard and will likely continue to do so.

Will have to see how Minten turns out but guys who don’t score in junior rarely become offensive players in the NHL. I would guess the Flames missed out on a 3rd line center by missing out on Minten.

I think the concern is that C is probably the position that scouts do the best job at, and seemingly one of the hardest positions to developed.

Top 4 defensemen and top line wingers come out of the middle rounds all of the time. Goalies take a while to develop and can come out of anywhere. But later round centers who do make it, typically make it as wingers.

So if you're not picking in the top 30ish and the guy isn't developing great your odds of getting a #1 or #2 center are low.

Maybe the Flames have found 1 in Reschney, but he has a ways to go. This years draft is looking like it might only produce 1-2 guys in that caliber and the Flames will be likely to draft both ahead of and behind where they should be going.

There's always a chance they could do the even rarer thing and try to convert a winger to center. But it's certainly shaping up to be the hardest thing about developing this roster.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I actually clicked on the middle one but my phone decided to switch it to the bottom one because my phone screen is broken and is a pos.

I had the exact same thing happen on a different poll. I hear you.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Just to throw it out there, I think Whitecloud is a very underrated pickup- he’s just not the right age of player we should be looking to acquire right now. We’re really going to like him though.

I hope you aren’t correct only because I would like to see Whitecloud shipped out for assets and to remove some of the log jam for depth defencemen. If the flames were looking to be competitive and he came as a cheap rental I’m sure I’d love him on the team.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Poor man's Tanev.

Tanev went on improving defensively right up to the time his body started to quit.

Whitecloud is kind of like a younger Tanev, still gaining that experience… and with more than one tooth.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by dammage79

You see, Andersson is no longer afforded the protection of being a Flames player so Dino will flip the script and say he sucks, forever now.

Quoted for how insanely true this is.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Poor man's Tanev.

Out of thanks, but I like that comp.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I hope you aren’t correct only because I would like to see Whitecloud shipped out for assets and to remove some of the log jam for depth defencemen. If the flames were looking to be competitive and he came as a cheap rental I’m sure I’d love him on the team.

I'm in the same boat- in a different time under different circumstances, he would be great going forward, especially for a playoff push. As it stands, if we could get anything decent for him, and I think a lot of teams would love to have him, I would say take the deal.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Poor man's Tanev.

I agree, and was actually going to say the same thing.

And I'll add this: Tanev's best years were in his 30s (in VAN, he was still a poor man's Tanev as well)

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Poor man's Tanev.

Deryk Engelland is my comp for him. And if he stays, I think he turns into a bit of a fan favorite.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Poor man's Tanev.

Sick.