Which likely means the meddling narrative is a pile of crap. Again, Treliving admitted he had circled back to Sutter when he hired Ward and Sutter wasn't ready. That means Treliving was open to Sutter being hired, meaning no meddling involved. If Edwards got involved it may have been to cajole Sutter back into the mix on behalf of the team, but Treliving had already made the contact and expressed desire to have Sutter back. That is not meddling if the GM was the one who made initial contact. Treliving got what he wanted and got the coach he tried to bring back.
Ownership has reportedly given Treliving everything he wanted to stay, including carte blanche to fire Sutter if desired. He turned that down. Frankly, I think Treliving took a look at his own work and realized there was no path forward for being a Stanley Cup contender with what he put together and the future outlook was not good. He elected to step away based on the lack of future he established in the system. The lack of draft picks is really going to become evident in the next three years when we need the cost controlled players to get us over the hump and they aren't there because of the picks bled for useless players at the deadlines. Those chickens are about to come home to roost, so the guy who was responsible elected to fly the coop. No one meddled in those decisions or moves.
If ownership gave Treliving permission to fire Sutter, this is the first I’ve heard of it and I’m surprised that’s not being discussed readily. Do you have a source on that, or is it just Calgary Puck echo chamber? From what I’ve read/listened to firing Sutter was not an option and I don’t buy it being an option, personally. This organization has not, outside of Sutter, shown an appetite to hire expensive coaches let alone fire them to collect paycheques from their couch. I’ll be surprised if Sutter isn’t behind the bench next year.
You make it sound like Treliving is leaving with his tail tucked between his legs but outside this market there’s a lot of people who seem to think Treliving will have no problem finding another job, relatively quickly, if he wants it. There’s also a lot of people both outside and in this market who are now looking at ownership and questioning how bad is the dysfunction and whom is responsible. These are cultural issues that start at the very top.
EDIT: I will also say the Flames aren’t as thread bare as you like to think. They have a decent group of prospects, a young blue line, depth at G, and a number of assets they could turn into a gold mine of picks/prospects. That said, I doubt very much Edwards will allow the GM, whether that was going to be Treliving or someone else, do so.
Treliving has done a good job manipulating the fans into thinking it’s the owners problem.
The owners may be but he is a mediocre GM that messed up frequently . He repeatedly bet on the wrong players. At the end he had 9 yrs and the era is over. He knows it himself . That’s why he is not coming back.
Lol. I guess that’s why ownership was trying to extend him.
I am sure Treliving can get another job. He is mediocre not terrible like Mike Milbury and even Milbury got another chance. The NHL don’t discriminate based on performance lol
Which likely means the meddling narrative is a pile of crap. Again, Treliving admitted he had circled back to Sutter when he hired Ward and Sutter wasn't ready. That means Treliving was open to Sutter being hired, meaning no meddling involved. If Edwards got involved it may have been to cajole Sutter back into the mix on behalf of the team, but Treliving had already made the contact and expressed desire to have Sutter back. That is not meddling if the GM was the one who made initial contact. Treliving got what he wanted and got the coach he tried to bring back.
Ownership has reportedly given Treliving everything he wanted to stay, including carte blanche to fire Sutter if desired. He turned that down. Frankly, I think Treliving took a look at his own work and realized there was no path forward for being a Stanley Cup contender with what he put together and the future outlook was not good. He elected to step away based on the lack of future he established in the system. The lack of draft picks is really going to become evident in the next three years when we need the cost controlled players to get us over the hump and they aren't there because of the picks bled for useless players at the deadlines. Those chickens are about to come home to roost, so the guy who was responsible elected to fly the coop. No one meddled in those decisions or moves.
Impressive conjecture.
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How hard did they try? Sounds to me like they gave him a contract offer on their terms and didn't exactly chase after him.
According to Maloney, they gave him several offers. I think it’s well documented they gave him one when Sutter was extended and again at the end of the season. The Flames didn’t want to lose him and they valued him. So I would say they did try.
Further, what would it say about the organization if they gave him an offer but didn’t really want him? If that’s the case, this organization isn’t to be taken seriously.
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Just listening to the DFO Rundown podcast with Frank Seravalli and he says Treliving wanted to make a coaching change and was told no and then he left. So his taking an extension hinged on firing Sutter and wasn't allowed.
"GM walks because ownership decided to go with the coach"
"(Some)Players loudly voiced displeasure with Sutter in exit interviews"
Thinks Maloney feels the same as Treliving in regards to coaching.
"Whoever gets it (GM) is inheriting a bulletproof coach more or less"
"Its a mess."
Seravalli is dropping in credibility for me.
We've heard (from posters who apparently have solid connections) that Treliving was offered a lucrative extension with the green light to change coaches.
I've heard Seravelli on 960 say "the flames" went to ownership for approval to extending Sutter last year, then, on this podcast he says this.
I know that Treliving could have wanted to extend Sutter last year and then wanted to fire him this year, but, why didn't Seravelli mention that on 960? It also flys in the face of other reports about the offer to extend Treliving and the conditions.
Just a bit strange.
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Seravalli is dropping in credibility for me.
We've heard (from posters who apparently have solid connections) that Treliving was offered a lucrative extension with the green light to change coaches.
I've heard Seravelli on 960 say "the flames" went to ownership for approval to extending Sutter last year, then, on this podcast he says this.
I know that Treliving could have wanted to extend Sutter last year and then wanted to fire him this year, but, why didn't Seravelli mention that on 960? It also flys in the face of other reports about the offer to extend Treliving and the conditions.
Just a bit strange.
Seravelli’s big comment leading up to this was “there is a less than zero percent chance both coach and GM are back”
That came true.
I think a few other facts have come to light:
Steinberg has gone with that Treliving was not offered a contract longer than 2 years (aligning with Darryl’s expiration).
Steinberg and Francis (and kind of Friedman) have confirmed that the relationship between Sutter and Treliving had fallen apart, and that it was a core issue with Brad returning.
So, I take that. Brad couldn’t continue to work with the head coach and would not return on a 2 year contract.
I am beginning to think that Darryl will not return as Head Coach, and we’ll have ultimately lost Brad because of the two year term limit, but I guess we’ll see how it plays out. If it does go that way? This whole thing gets even dumber in my eyes, but at least it will all be behind us and we can look forward…right?…right?
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Take anything TMZ Frank says with a grain of salt. He's good at taking a tidbit of insider info and spinning it into click bait narratives
He was kind of right on all season about things not being well within the organization and that one of Treliving or Sutter wouldn't be back. This was stuff he was saying months ago and not just recently.
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He was kind of right on all season about things not being well within the organization and that one of Treliving or Sutter wouldn't be back. This was stuff he was saying months ago and not just recently.
again, nobody ever really questioned that there was friction for quite a while, nothing earthshaking there.
my point is that over the last few days he really seems to be throwing darts, just makes me wonder
He’s not claiming to be. He wasn’t predicting a lot of things - but he was right with what he was saying.
The juicier bit that stumbled out this summer that is still up in the air in my eyes is from Ryan Leslie in talking with Eric Francis. They were discussing Backlund and Lindholm as players that don’t want to/won’t return and Leslie made the comment that “and that list is growing”.
There’s a problem here. It’s not just players vs coaches either, Friedman I believe in his latest 32 thoughts has said there was player vs player problems as well.
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He’s not claiming to be. He wasn’t predicting a lot of things - but he was right with what he was saying.
The juicier bit that stumbled out this summer that is still up in the air in my eyes is from Ryan Leslie in talking with Eric Francis. They were discussing Backlund and Lindholm as players that don’t want to/won’t return and Leslie made the comment that “and that list is growing”.
There’s a problem here. It’s not just players vs coaches either, Friedman I believe in his latest 32 thoughts has said there was player vs player problems as well.
If indeed there is player vs player drama as well, my god has this team deteriorated into something abysmal.
Could you imagine trying to lure UFA's into this market/team now?
The list of players this year that could speak anything in terms of other guys having to step up is quite small, that's likely Backlund/Lindholm drama and wanting to leave the team I'm thinking.
90% of the team underperformed
Rumored player vs player drama
Coach rift with half the team, including star players.
GM wanted out
Owner too involved in hockey decisions
Rookies not played, put down in media
No new arena yet
The list of negatives is growing at an alarming rate.
