I guess I am just a bit surprised that coming westbound would have that much of an affect on fuel range? The flight appears to be making a non stop flight from Edmonton to Florida but not on the reverse.
I don't recall ever hearing an NHL team plane needing to refuel enroute to a game before in recent memory and it's just surprising.
Since I am not that technically involved in planes, outside of actually needing to refuel because the 1500-2000 km range differential isn't sufficient, I am just wondering if there was something else.
Brian Shul's book Sled Driver is one of the best aviation books ever written, a must read for any pilot/aviation enthusiast (the book in any guise is prohibitively expensive, especially first editions). Brian sadly passed away last year but left an indelible legacy.
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Brian Shul's book Sled Driver is one of the best aviation books ever written, a must read for any pilot/aviation enthusiast (the book in any guise is prohibitively expensive, especially first editions). Brian sadly passed away last year but left an indelible legacy.
I still need to somehow get my hands on a copy to read. The price though...
I posted this in the thread for the cup finals but thought I would ask the plane gurus here. It looks like the charter A320 for the Oilers (AC Jetz) had to do a fuel stop in Kansas City, Missouri enroute back to Edmonton.
This also happened last week when they arrived into Edmonton but the logic was that due to poor weather, they were not able to carry enough fuel for the non stop trip to Edmonton.
Given the approx range of an A320 being 6000+ km's and the distance between Florida and Edmonton approx 4000 km's, why the need to stop? Can a A320 really not make it non stop carrying 40-45 people plus gear?
I guess I am just a bit surprised that coming westbound would have that much of an affect on fuel range? The flight appears to be making a non stop flight from Edmonton to Florida but not on the reverse.
I don't recall ever hearing an NHL team plane needing to refuel enroute to a game before in recent memory and it's just surprising.
Since I am not that technically involved in planes, outside of actually needing to refuel because the 1500-2000 km range differential isn't sufficient, I am just wondering if there was something else.
I also want to know who chartered this one? The NHL?
I still need to somehow get my hands on a copy to read. The price though...
I read a borrowed copy back in 2002 and would love to read again. I would also love to read The Untouchables, which is unfortunately just as rare and expensive as Sled Driver.
I guess I am just a bit surprised that coming westbound would have that much of an affect on fuel range?
There's a ~25 minute flight time difference Calgary to Toronto vs. Toronto to Calgary. That's over a 10% difference in duration, and on top of this there may be a larger fuel burn per minute into the wind on that route (I have no idea - I'll let the pros chime in).
I posted this in the thread for the cup finals but thought I would ask the plane gurus here. It looks like the charter A320 for the Oilers (AC Jetz) had to do a fuel stop in Kansas City, Missouri enroute back to Edmonton.
This also happened last week when they arrived into Edmonton but the logic was that due to poor weather, they were not able to carry enough fuel for the non stop trip to Edmonton.
Given the approx range of an A320 being 6000+ km's and the distance between Florida and Edmonton approx 4000 km's, why the need to stop? Can a A320 really not make it non stop carrying 40-45 people plus gear?
Just ran some basic numbers. There's a lot of assumptions here however since I don't know what the configuration exactly is for the Jetz aircraft and it's payload. Below is some information based on current weather conditions, from FLL to YEG
Empty Weight 97,067 lbs
Max Weight Before Fuel 134,482 lbs
Max Take Off Weight 162,040 lbs
Max Landing Weight 142,198 lbs
Estimated Weight Before Fuel 122,143 lbs
Estimated Take Off Weight 162,040 lbs
Estimated Landing Weight 131,916 lbs
Payload 25,076 lbs (passengers + baggage)
Now, assuming this NHL flight is taking maximum payload for all their gear (they probably bring extra's with the importance of being the SCF), then the limiting factor here will be their max take off weight of 162,040 lbs. With fuel requirement of 40,405 lbs, this means maximum weight before fuel (with payload) is 122,143 lbs (at the gate). This equates to the max payload for a direct flight of 25,076 lbs. However, the plane is capable of taking a max payload of 37,415 lbs. So if the team needs to carry more than 25,076 lbs, they have to reduce the fuel to be under the max take off weight, which means they won't have enough to get to Edmonton and hence the requirement for a fuel stop.
For the same trip from YEG to FLL, the fuel required is 33,923 lbs, which allows them to carry a payload of 31,558 lbs or an extra 6,482 lbs. This may have been enough for them to do a direct flight down. Right now the winds at cruise aren't much (average 20 kts), so this variance would typically be even larger, especially during winter months.
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Most badass plane ever? Sure. (Warthog fans enter the conversation...)
But the sleekness of the lines of the concorde put it over the top for me. I saw it live once as well so maybe some bias involved.
Most badass plane ever? Sure. (Warthog fans enter the conversation...)
But the sleekness of the lines of the concorde put it over the top for me. I saw it live once as well so maybe some bias involved.
Agreed on the best plane story though.
I used to fly an SR-71 lots in Chuck Yeager's Flight Simulator, so maybe some bias involved.
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Wonder if they had a bird strike or something that compromised it first.
That ####ing iggy_oi spreading his communist bull#### to birds now? Does everything have to have a union and strike what the... huh? What? Oh. That kind of bird strike. Nevermind. Sorry, iggy.
Had a good chuckle at 1:02 when the last fire suppression truck shows up, just a little too eager. Blows his load before he arrives, then kinda flails around with the nozzle spraying all over the place.
A. Where is my thanks button?
B. Great minds and all that...
C. Something, something, bukake porn, something.
D. Actually, thought it was pretty cool how far away they started spraying and how far it went. I assume that is protocol because they all did that.
EAA Airventure in Oshkosh starts on the 22nd, looking at the flight trackers the wave of arrivals are starting now. Always fun to watch online and with the ATC for this truly one of a kind event.
