[News] With the 21st overall pick Flames select C Mark Jankowski

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by timbit

Both are/ were very fringe players.

Teravainen was a star tonight in the SCF.

Good for Teravainen. So how does this have anything to do with the Flames or Mark Jankowski?

[timbit]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Good for Teravainen. So how does this have anything to do with the Flames or Mark Jankowski?

Flames made a mistake
It happens.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by timbit

Eric Foley has huge upside regardless of being a Friar.

Really? You focused on the throwaway line at the end, where he said coincidently?

Don't think he said Foley has big upside because he is going to Providence anywhere.

Brutal post.

Tueuro looked great for Hawks tonight, he probably/most likely will be the better player but that means nothing now. How often do some of you have to whine and complian like insolent whiny children?

Get over it. Nothing that can be done now, focus on what we have not what we might have had, not what mistakes or not were made three years ago by a GM that isn't here.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by timbit

Flames made a mistake
It happens.

You must have a crystal ball. Jankowski hasn't turned pro yet... Yet you magically know Teravainen will be the better player LONG term???

Have you even watched Jankowski play hockey this year? Honest question.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by timbit

Teravainen was a star tonight in the SCF.

A star in the sense of being a glorified, undersized Oleg Saprykin 2k4.

Please, look at that first goal again, that's 99.999999% Duncan Keith, and the other 0.000001% was whoever got in front of Bishop with the screen. TT was at the right place at the right time.

The second goal was 50% Sharp being fantastic on the forecheck, 10% TT having good vision, and 40% Vermette with an absolute snipe.

If that's your definition of a star, then we're at an impasse. Stars aren't usually the third best player on the third line.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Really? You focused on the throwaway line at the end, where he said coincidently?

Don't think he said Foley has big upside because he is going to Providence anywhere.

Brutal post.

Tueuro looked great for Hawks tonight, he probably/most likely will be the better player but that means nothing now. How often do some of you have to whine and complian like insolent whiny children?

Get over it. Nothing that can be done now, focus on what we have not what we might have had, not what mistakes or not were made three years ago by a GM that isn't here.

I'm good with that.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

You must have a crystal ball. Jankowski hasn't turned pro yet... Yet you magically know Teravainen will be the better player LONG term???

Have you even watched Jankowski play hockey this year? Honest question.

Seven times...how about you?

And I will take Teravainen every time,

[monkeyman]

what is the NHLE for NCAA, 0.41? so Jankowski would be at ~11 points over 37 games? Teravaninen had 9?
It's too early to call this. it's like saying one cake is better than another when one is still baking and the other isn't even in the oven yet.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by timbit

Seven times...how about you?

And I will take Teravainen every time,

Seven times eh? You should know by now then that when you're continuously comparing Teravainen to Jankowski, you're comparing apples to oranges. Completely different types of players...

But please tell me, why do you take Teravainen every time? I'm guessing it's the same old "cus he's got NHL games played..." argument.

[GranteedEV]

As of today, with the caveat that Jankowski has had zero opportunity to prove himself, the only players in the 2012 Draft I might have retrospectively preferred over Jankowski would be Hampus Lindholm, Jacob Trouba, Matt Dumba, and Filip Forsberg.

None were available @ 14th overall.

[Hackey]

Maata would have been nice.

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Maata would have been nice.

At this point you Jankowski haters are just trolling. There is absolutely no reason to keep on crapping on this guy and no reason to keep pouting about not getting the player you wanted, it's done. The management team that drafted him was fired, and MJ is not responsible for his draft position. I believe you guys are actively hoping for this prospect to fail just so you can present a smug "I told you so" to a frikkin message board. Give it a rest about Olli frikkin Maata. Or better yet, just become a Pens fan.

[dying4acup]

While it's not likely, I still see no evidence from the limited viewing I have seen, and arguments I have heard, that Jankowski can't become a top line centre.

He is big. He is fast. He has good hands. He has good hockey sense. He is good/great defensively. He is good/great on faceoffs.

That doesn't mean he will live up to that. It means that we don't know anything yet. It means we need to wait and see.

[FireGilbert]

This thread has become an epic battle between the Jankowski Kool-Aid drinkers and the Captain Hindsights both entrenched in their positions and not budging. I am obviously in the later group but believe I am almost on the road to recovery and am very close to no longer being angered by the events of the 2012 draft.

The annoying thing though is that the Chicago Blackhawks, who were two years removed from the cup and full of good prospects, picked BPA that year and got a prospect who is contributing in the Stanley Cup final at 20. The Flames on the other hand, who were in need of a rebuild and had a very weak prospect base, decided to first trade down then go completely off the board. They got a prospect who is about to play a fourth year in college.

Actually after getting that off my chest I am pretty much over it now. I am going to chalk this up to the Blackhawks doing what they do at the draft and the Flames having a blip on the radar between the amazing drafts of 2011 and 2013.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by dying4acup

While it's not likely, I still see no evidence from the limited viewing I have seen, and arguments I have heard, that Jankowski can't become a top line centre.

He is big. He is fast. He has good hands. He has good hockey sense. He is good/great defensively. He is good/great on faceoffs.

That doesn't mean he will live up to that. It means that we don't know anything yet. It means we need to wait and see.

Yup. You look at this prospect without any of the draft-day context or Feaster Kool Aid and he looks pretty damned solid:

-Centre
-6'4"
-200lbs and growing (according to him and his Twitter)
-great skating
-very intelligent, especially defensively
-soft hands like butter
-great on faceoffs
-NCAA Champion

One of the only prospects in the 2012 draft who still has some offensive upside. Though we have recently acquired two marquee centre icemen via early draft choices, it's easy to forget that this type of player does not grow on trees.

The haters just want us to keep their opinion fresh in our memories so that they can post celebratory Gifs if/when Jankowski busts out. What a pathetic existence as a sports fan. Trolls gonna troll.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by timbit

Seven times...how about you?

And I will take Teravainen every time,

Mr. Bit, I don't disagree with you very often, but I think you're missing the boat here. The glorification of Teravainen for his performance is strange to say the least. He scored a seeing eye goal from a bad area last night, and got a phantom assist on a giveaway, but the guy is a perimeter player. That has been his major contribution these playoffs, and he did so in an unimpressive way.

Those comparing Teravainen to Baertschi are right on the money. He floats in that area around the half wall, or in the open space high, and then waits for his team mates to do all the dirty work. Not overly impressive and not a guy that will have much of a career if that is what his performance is going to be like. Star players get their noses dirty and, in baseball parlance, Teravainen's uniform is always laundry fresh after a game. Not impressed with him in any fashion.

[Red Menace]

I think my main issue with the pick was that at best you are hoping Jankowski turns into someone as good as Teravainen (albeit the are very different types of players).
Teravainen was considered someone very close to making the NHL and an almost lock to do so...which he has done with one of the best organizations in the league.
Maybe Jankowski will work out, but why not take the more sure bet on a guy you know is super talented and close to ready.
I don't resent Jankowski at all , and still have hopes he can maybe become an effective NHLer, but to me it was poor decision making at the time by the Flames, regardless of how it turns out.

[monkeyman]

The 2012 draft was considered weak outside the top 10. The flames would have traded the pick had they not selected Janko. Feaster and Weisbrod confirmed it. shouldn't people be upset about the imaginary player we would have traded for? It'd be just as meaningless but at least more accurate.

[Red Menace]

People can be upset about the decision making that came to that conclusion...of course we can.

[Bingo]

I'm with those that really wish this prospect could just stand on his own on a go forward basis and the leave the selection order and moving down out of it.

It's the past, you can't change it. Everyone that pulled the trigger has been let go. There's no more blood to leech out of this stone.

Kevin Hayes is the interesting guy for me in the Jankowski prospect discussion as he didn't impress me at all in the viewings I saw with Arnold and Gaudreau but has been really good in the NHL. Hopefully Jankowski has learned all the small things, will fill out, and become a solid 10 year pro with the Flames as a third line player. Better than that would be great, but he seems solid enough that I think he has a decent chance to play.

But the consternation over that draft selection is really getting old.