2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bonded

No, it would have to be something like here is another pick or prospect to drop their rights to the 24 pick.

Which means Calgary does NOT have control of the pick to offer it as compensation in an offer sheet. They would have to make a secondary deal with Montreal for them to revert control of that pick back to Calgary.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Which means Calgary does NOT have control of the pick to offer it as compensation in an offer sheet. They would have to make a secondary deal with Montreal for them to revert control of that pick back to Calgary.

Yes lol. That is what I have been saying the whole time. It is unlikely but not impossible for the Flames to offersheet someone because they will own two of their 2024, 2024, and 2026 picks and could pay Montreal to simplify the conditions on the Monahan pick. You can tell me if that isn't allowed in the CBA, that's the part I am not sure of.

[butterfly]

In hindsight, what a dumb trade that was. Just offer them a single pick and that's it, now we're hamstrung for years because of it.

Should have been a straight up Flames pick because of how much confidence you'd have shipping out Monahan to bring in Kadri. Forget the Florida one, keep that. And if you aren't confident enough to let the Canadiens have a late 1st because of all the success we'd be having, then don't do it at all.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by butterfly

In hindsight, what a dumb trade that was. Just offer them a single pick and that's it, now we're hamstrung for years because of it.

Should have been a straight up Flames pick because of how much confidence you'd have shipping out Monahan to bring in Kadri. Forget the Florida one, keep that. And if you aren't confident enough to let the Canadiens have a late 1st because of all the success we'd be having, then don't do it at all.

I am guessing it is because Montreal wanted the 23 but Treliving wanted to keep it for a deadline trade and/or strong draft and then it spun out from there.

[bluejays]

The more I think of the success of Florida this year with skating grinders playing scrappy hockey, I think Kadri's value goes up (vs. prior to the playoffs). I really hope the Flames can offload that contract and we're not stuck with 7 years of that. If I had one item on my wishlist, deal wise, that may be it. Close second would be to deal one of the pending FAs in a package to get a high pick.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by bluejays

The more I think of the success of Florida this year with skating grinders playing scrappy hockey, I think Kadri's value goes up (vs. prior to the playoffs). I really hope the Flames can offload that contract and we're not stuck with 7 years of that. If I had one item on my wishlist, deal wise, that may be it. Close second would be to deal one of the pending FAs in a package to get a high pick.

I hope you're right. Who would be out there offering Kadri a 6 year $7M AAV contract this offseason, for free, without giving up anything? Not me. NMC anyway, so Kadri's the one in control.

At least Kadri actually does stuff, compared to James Neal, but I'm very underwhelmed after one season.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by butterfly

In hindsight, what a dumb trade that was. Just offer them a single pick and that's it, now we're hamstrung for years because of it.

Should have been a straight up Flames pick because of how much confidence you'd have shipping out Monahan to bring in Kadri. Forget the Florida one, keep that. And if you aren't confident enough to let the Canadiens have a late 1st because of all the success we'd be having, then don't do it at all.

The Flames have a negative 100% chance of offering a RFA a contract. So protecting your picks and ensuring you give up the least valuable is 100% the correct call

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The Flames have a negative 100% chance of offering a RFA a contract. So protecting your picks and ensuring you give up the least valuable is 100% the correct call

Someone else suggested that as a possibility for their offseason plan. Who's to say whether or not they're right?

If you back yourself into a corner, like they've done, the possibility doesn't exist. Which is always stupid. Leave yourself every option available.

They didn't protect any picks with this trade. Canadiens wanted a 1st rounder, which is fine. Make them choose one. Now all of our picks seem to be "encumbered" with respect to the CBA.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by bluejays

The more I think of the success of Florida this year with skating grinders playing scrappy hockey, I think Kadri's value goes up (vs. prior to the playoffs). I really hope the Flames can offload that contract and we're not stuck with 7 years of that. If I had one item on my wishlist, deal wise, that may be it. Close second would be to deal one of the pending FAs in a package to get a high pick.

Kadri at this point is a sunk cost. Who wants to have a guy making 7m at 36/37/38? No one.

And it would look really bad on the Flames if we traded Kadri after just signing him. It’s better we keep him. He’s a good middle 6 center for Calgary. He will be good without Sutter here.

If we want Kadri gone so bad, then prepare to take on a bad contract with roughly the same term. That’s what we had to do with the Neal/Lucic trade.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Sandman

None of the players you mentioned have a toolkit like Carlsson. Plus, Lindholm is almost 30, with another maybe 5 years of top-line production in him. It’s a young man’s game, and youth is what team’s covet. The big reason Lindholm to CBJ makes sense to fans is that it will reunite him with Johnny. You can’t trade a 30 yo for an 18 yo stud, 6’3”C.

I appreciate your scouting analysis and input on this board. But don't exaggerate things to prove your point. Lindholm is 28 years old. Carlsson is 18. Every year counts for a lot in this business. I wouldn't argue Lindholm is 28 and Carlsson is 20 just to try and prove a point on the other side of the arguement. This isn't just a shot at you, because I've seen it done quite a bit on here. Yes, there is a 10 year age gap. However, Lindholm is an established high end player, with a very good cap hit for another season. Carlsson is extremely valuable also, for obvious reasons. But every team has different needs and values. If Columbus wants to win now, they may go hard after Lindholm.

[bluejays]

@foreverflamesfan, quoting not working but I've heard it a few times that it would look bad on the Flames to trade someone after signing them. I'm really not sure where that thought has come from but I really think his contract specifically handcuffs the team badly. The benefits of getting rid of that contract far outweighs any negative temporary perception there is. Given he has a NTC, it would have to be a situation that benefits him, which is still a longshot, but I still have some hope his style resonates with half the teams in the league enough to create a market for him. I wouldn't expect a high return but with albatross contracts it's addition by subtraction.

[Monahammer]

I still think Colorado is a natural fit. Had amazing success there, they did want him, they now have space and lack grit because of Landy injury, and they obviously missed his exact presence at centre (newhook isn't a good substitute yet). I think theres a deal here and we have to push for it.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by bluejays

@foreverflamesfan, quoting not working but I've heard it a few times that it would look bad on the Flames to trade someone after signing them. I'm really not sure where that thought has come from but I really think his contract specifically handcuffs the team badly. The benefits of getting rid of that contract far outweighs any negative temporary perception there is. Given he has a NTC, it would have to be a situation that benefits him, which is still a longshot, but I still have some hope his style resonates with half the teams in the league enough to create a market for him. I wouldn't expect a high return but with albatross contracts it's addition by subtraction.

I think we can agree it would make sense to give him and Huberdeau another year with a new HC to figure things out, no? I personally believe Kadri, although has an albatross of a contract, would do more good than harm to this team. I think he provides an element that most players lack. He’s a ***** to play against, has good playoff numbers. I think he is a solution to the never-ending problem of players in the past not showing up come playoff time.

I’m not against him getting traded, but I also see the value in keeping him if he has a fresh, clean slate with a new coach and a whole summer to get back into the swing of things.

[bluejays]

The problem is the gamble. Odds are he'll be better than last year but how much better to be stuck with that contract? Almost certainly he won't be his Colorado good. I wouldn't want to wait until next season to deal him simply because there may be an opportunity here when there's a question of last season being an anomaly. The truth is he's not a franchise player and never should have got that term. As much of a pain he is he'll never live up to the contract he signed. If anything, last year was the warning shot.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

I appreciate your scouting analysis and input on this board. But don't exaggerate things to prove your point. Lindholm is 28 years old. Carlsson is 18. Every year counts for a lot in this business. I wouldn't argue Lindholm is 28 and Carlsson is 20 just to try and prove a point on the other side of the arguement. This isn't just a shot at you, because I've seen it done quite a bit on here. Yes, there is a 10 year age gap. However, Lindholm is an established high end player, with a very good cap hit for another season. Carlsson is extremely valuable also, for obvious reasons. But every team has different needs and values. If Columbus wants to win now, they may go hard after Lindholm.

Thanks, but I wasn’t exaggerating on purpose, I honestly thought Lindy was a year older than he actually is. That said, I still think my point stands. You’re not getting a third OA pick of that caliber of this one, for Lindy. CBJ is not an Elias Lindholm away from being competitive, not by a long shot. We would have to add a big asset or two. If I’m wrong, and this trade goes down, I will GLADLY apologize.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by bluejays

The problem is the gamble. Odds are he'll be better than last year but how much better to be stuck with that contract? Almost certainly he won't be his Colorado good. I wouldn't want to wait until next season to deal him simply because there may be an opportunity here when there's a question of last season being an anomaly. The truth is he's not a franchise player and never should have got that term. As much of a pain he is he'll never live up to the contract he signed. If anything, last year was the warning shot.

I am not too worried about Kadri. At the end of the season, his point totals were exactly where anyone should expect them to be. His poor performance near the end of the season is fresh on everyone's mind, but for parts of the season, he was one of the better players. His production was fine and pretty much in line for a player that signed as a UFA and compared to his career norms. He has to tighten up the rest of his game, but I think those things are easier to rebound back from.

For league comparison, he was 88th in league scoring among forwards and is the 61st highest paid forward. The gap is less meaningful though when you consider dozens of players ahead of him in scoring have not reached UFA status yet.

[bluejays]

I don't know. Assuming we bring back the same lineup, after Huberdeau he's expected to be the second option scorer on the team (maybe with Lindholm). He's just not in a good place skill or speed wise to be that guy on this team. On Colorado he was in a great position where he was likely around the 6th best scoring option. Colorado didn't want to give him that large a contract though (and for good reason). I give him about a 90% chance to hit 60 points, but I think to hit more than 70 points it's a stretch. The young guys have to come in and pick him up a bit to get there.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I don't know. Assuming we bring back the same lineup, after Huberdeau he's expected to be the second option scorer on the team (maybe with Lindholm). He's just not in a good place skill or speed wise to be that guy on this team. On Colorado he was in a great position where he was likely around the 6th best scoring option. Colorado didn't want to give him that large a contract though (and for good reason). I give him about a 90% chance to hit 60 points, but I think to hit more than 70 points it's a stretch. The young guys have to come in and pick him up a bit to get there.

dude he had 87 points in 71 games...give credit where credit is due. Kadri was 5 points off the Avs scoring lead playing 4 fewer games than Rantanen

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

The Flames already overpaid Huberdeau and Kadri

They can’t afford to overpay Lindholm

He has to go. The 3rd is as good as they can get for him.

As good as they can get, hahahaha. They can't get that.

Originally Posted by Sandman

Thanks, but I wasn’t exaggerating on purpose, I honestly thought Lindy was a year older than he actually is. That said, I still think my point stands. You’re not getting a third OA pick of that caliber of this one, for Lindy. CBJ is not an Elias Lindholm away from being competitive, not by a long shot. We would have to add a big asset or two. If I’m wrong, and this trade goes down, I will GLADLY apologize.

These guys are nuts with their Lindholm for the 3rd overall pick stuff. It's crazy. This board has no understanding of the value of the 3rd overall pick, let alone the third overall pick in this draft.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by jayswin

As good as they can get, hahahaha. They can't get that.



These guys are nuts with their Lindholm for the 3rd overall pick stuff. It's crazy. This board has no understanding of the value of the 3rd overall pick, let alone the third overall pick in this draft.

'This board' has plenty of understanding. Who the #### are you to tell everyone what picks are worth? It's fluid, and assets have different values to different teams at different times. So don't talk in absolutes. And maybe don't presume you know more than everyone else.