2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

What did Debrincat go for at least years draft? Expand off of that, keeping in mind Lindholm is a much more valuable player.

DeBrincat is three years younger and a pending RFA, not a pending UFA. Big difference. Big big difference.

I don’t think there’s much of a comparison there.

[Flames_Gimp]

Yes, connie wants the star players to have more ice time and lean on them for the big goal when the game is on the line. Biggest issue I have with sutter, down by 1 goal in the 3rd and the grinders are out when the top line should be on the ice, going for the tying goal.

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

The justification is the Panthers run right now.

It's the perfect reason for any team in the 17th-20th range to say hey, we don't need to tear down. Another couple tweaks and we could be like the cats. Anything can happen after 82 games!

And they're right.. but also wrong.

'04 Flames, '12 Kings and '23 Panthers are the outliers, not the norm. That's why those Cinderella runs are virtually spaced out every 10 years. You're banking on being that one lower seed team that comes along once a decade and sees the finals over that regular 1st-3rd seeded divisional team that sees the final 2 or final 4 much more regularly.

I bet Conroy is the kind of guy that believes in unlikely stories and revels in them but I hope we're not making that like..our PLAN for this team.

I'm banking on them being smarter than that but just playing it up because it helps fuel the intrigue of fans and prospective season ticket holders short term.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by TOfan

DeBrincat is three years younger and a pending RFA, not a pending UFA. Big difference. Big big difference.

I don’t think there’s much of a comparison there.

Ya, except his cap hit was about 1.5 mil\per more then Lindholm's, while being an inferior player. Definitely not comparing apples to apples here. But there isn't really a perfect comparison.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Personally my bet it is Conroy won't even talk to Lindholm until the next coach is in place. Connie can be a damn convincing guy and I think Lindholm stays, probably 8.5x8. They will then flip Hanifin somewhere for another top 6 forward. That is how I am betting this plays out.

Hubderdeau - $10.5M
Lindholm - $8.5M
Kadri - $7M
Weegar - $6.25M
Markstrom - $6M
Coleman - $4.9M

$43 million into a very weak and old core. Team is going to age like milk in the sun.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Hubderdeau - $10.5M
Lindholm - $8.5M
Kadri - $7M
Weegar - $6.25M
Markstrom - $6M
Coleman - $4.9M

$43 million into a very weak and old core. Team is going to age like milk in the sun.

Huberdeau and and Weegar are locked in. Not moving them.

That leaves the ability to keep 2 more IMO.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Huberdeau and and Weegar are locked in. Not moving them.

That leaves the ability to keep 2 more IMO.

How do you move Kadri?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If Conroy trades Lindholm and Coronato for #3 I will lead the lynch mob.

Like, the lynch mob for anyone who was against that trade?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think 3 is in reach at all.
I think posters suggesting a later 1st + Sillinger are probably pretty bang on.
And I would do that.

CP has gone bonkers with this one Columbus reporter saying a thing. The most hilarious part is that getting the third overall (in a draft where third overall would likely go 1st overall most years) for a player that is leaving next off season at best and being re-signed to add another 30+ player to an aging, non contending core at worst is just pie in the sky fantasy.

And yet on this message board we can't even add a Coronato or Hanifin to the deal without Columbus making it worth our while with ANOTHER first round pick or a young prospect already in the NHL coming our way.

[PuckSlap]

To be fair, we needed something to keep us entertained while we wait for the draft and trades to kick in. Even if it's all just gossip, at this point.


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[jayswin]

We're in LA LA land on CP when it comes to trade proposals, it's so hilarious. Third overall isn't in reach with almost any combination of players or picks on our team, yet we're proposing ways to make it work the best we can for the Flames.

"well if they want both Lindholm and Hanifin on the last years of their deals than they'd better be willing to add the 22nd overall to the 3rd overall....a pick that historically has a price so high that it never gets traded for!!!". We're bonkers, no shame in admitting it.

[dino7c]

Lindholm and Hanifin have massive value

Every year people think top 5 picks are a sure thing...go look at draft history.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lindholm and Hanifin have massive value

Every year people think top 5 picks are a sure thing...go look at draft history.

It's the same every year at this time. Cracks me up.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lindholm and Hanifin have massive value

Every year people think top 5 picks are a sure thing...go look at draft history.

No, no, no it's not about how they end up, everyone can see draft history. It's about the unwillingness of teams to give up a top 3 pick in a trade due to how difficult it is to draft there and how many franchise players come from there, plus the insane bidding war that would take place if they did decide to.

Trust me, what's being discussed on CP in wanting to tailor a 3rd overall trade to our needs and to not give up too much is absolutely pie in the sky. I'll stand by that, 100%.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

The justification is the Panthers run right now.

It's the perfect reason for any team in the 17th-20th range to say hey, we don't need to tear down. Another couple tweaks and we could be like the cats. Anything can happen after 82 games!

And they're right.. but also wrong.

'04 Flames, '12 Kings and '23 Panthers are the outliers, not the norm. That's why those Cinderella runs are virtually spaced out every 10 years. You're banking on being that one lower seed team that comes along once a decade and sees the finals over that regular 1st-3rd seeded divisional team that sees the final 2 or final 4 much more regularly.

I bet Conroy is the kind of guy that believes in unlikely stories and revels in them but I hope we're not making that like..our PLAN for this team.

I'm banking on them being smarter than that but just playing it up because it helps fuel the intrigue of fans and prospective season ticket holders short term.

Uh 2021 Habs, 2017 Preds

Low seeds go on runs fairly often in the cap era...things have never been tighter.

2017, 2021, 2023

Bubble teams in the final...throw in the last place Jan 1 Blues too if you like

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yup.

It's 3rd overall + 7M in cap space that can be used to bring in another piece to help contend short term.

Yeah, that 7+m could even be a Kadri. Wouldn’t you rather bet on a player that has given chemistry with that player rather than a chance of a James Neal?

There’s a reason that team Canada brings pairs of players and defensemen

That cost is invisible but invaluable

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jayswin

No, no, no it's not about how they end up, everyone can see draft history. It's about the unwillingness of teams to give up a top 3 pick in a trade due to how difficult it is to draft there and how many franchise players come from there, plus the insane bidding war that would take place if they did decide to.

Trust me, what's being discussed on CP in wanting to tailor a 3rd overall trade to our needs and to not give up too much is absolutely pie in the sky. I'll stand by that, 100%.

Still doesn't mean people are wrong for saying they wouldn't do it

Lindholm and Hanifin would be ridiculous...way too much

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lindholm and Hanifin have massive value

Every year people think top 5 picks are a sure thing...go look at draft history.

Not every year is the same
The top end of this draft is outstanding

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Yeah, that 7+m could even be a Kadri. Wouldn’t you rather bet on a player that has given chemistry with that player rather than a chance of a James Neal?

There’s a reason that team Canada brings pairs of players and defensemen

That cost is invisible but invaluable

Kadri was the teams best player half the year...he will probably have a good season with a new coach.

Guy was over 100 point pace just last year and great in the playoffs. It's wild how some of you quit on players after one bad year. Guy barely had an offseason too.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Not every year is the same
The top end of this draft is outstanding

Thanks Kreskin, but I guarantee there are some busts

Pull your RV was can't miss...rated higher than Tkachuk

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Johnson has already shown he can play in the NHL. Besides, I think Johnson has more upside than either of those two. I also said I would do Lindholm for #3 straight up. It is when people started adding Dube, and the 16th pick, and Hanifin on top that I balked at that.

How can you make that assumption when you haven’t even seen one of the prospects play? A little unfair to already label Johnson the winner.