Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

What on earth are you talking about?

We’re discussing the party’s chances if they boot Trudeau and attempt a reset of the party ahead of the next election.

There are no chances. This isn't the NHL regular season with the loser point column. The game is coming to an end with the opposition having an insurmountable lead.

Literally not a single person today in any political medium has suggested the Liberals and Trudeau have any sort of chance here.

As I said before, you and him are the only ones who think there is a chance. This isn't some right wing conspiracy or anything, this is everybody saying the fat lady has sung and the clock is striking zero.

It's over

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by curves2000

There are no chances. This isn't the NHL regular season with the loser point column. The game is coming to an end with the opposition having an insurmountable lead.

Literally not a single person today in any political medium has suggested the Liberals and Trudeau have any sort of chance here.

As I said before, you and him are the only ones who think there is a chance. This isn't some right wing conspiracy or anything, this is everybody saying the fat lady has sung and the clock is striking zero.

It's over

Sorry, are you seriously struggling this much to understand what the discussion is?

[Doctorfever]

I think the Liberals can definitely make gains on their current polling numbers if they run with a new leader. They will still lose the election, but probably by a lesser margin.

I suspect the NDP would also benefit from a leadership change. Jagmeet has basically attached himself to Trudeau.

[Slava]

Nm, misunderstood.

[CaptainCrunch]

the Peter Julian interview on CBC, he should have thought it out better.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1868794787282682183

[Acey]

I hate Trudeau as much as the next guy but the tens of billions now owed to First Nations because of SCC rulings seems to not be his fault... that seems to be the bulk of what torched the budget.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Sorry, are you seriously struggling this much to understand what the discussion is?

People like that do, that's exactly it. They think Trudeau = Liberals, so saying something like 'even if Trudeau steps down tomorrow, there's still a good chance the election doesn't happen until October' like you did, that's very confusing and angering to them.

Yeah, it's totally dickish for me to phrase it like that, but holy #### how many times does it have to be said in here that nobody is defending Trudeau, but still gets the 'lol libtard' treatment if they don't just follow conservative talking points

[SebC]

Originally Posted by chemgear

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fal...deau-1.7411825

Federal deficit balloons to $61.9B as government tables economic update on chaotic day in Ottawa

The federal government has blown past that benchmark; Monday's update posts a deficit of nearly $62 billion for last fiscal year.

21.9 is still closer to 6.8 than "50-60".

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by btimbit

People like that do, that's exactly it. They think Trudeau = Liberals, so saying something like 'even if Trudeau steps down tomorrow, there's still a good chance the election doesn't happen until October' like you did, that's very confusing and angering to them.

Yeah, it's totally dickish for me to phrase it like that, but holy #### how many times does it have to be said in here that nobody is defending Trudeau, but still gets the 'lol libtard' treatment if they don't just follow conservative talking points

Because “being liberal” has strategically been memed into our psyches for a decade +.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by btimbit

People like that do, that's exactly it. They think Trudeau = Liberals, so saying something like 'even if Trudeau steps down tomorrow, there's still a good chance the election doesn't happen until October' like you did, that's very confusing and angering to them.

Yeah, it's totally dickish for me to phrase it like that, but holy #### how many times does it have to be said in here that nobody is defending Trudeau, but still gets the 'lol libtard' treatment if they don't just follow conservative talking points

I don't think anybody said anything about Libtard's or anything, but what would be a realistic scenario that would play out quite well for the Liberal Party in the next 6-9 months? We already know that a lot of cabinet members and MP's are officially considered EOL and DOA politically. I could see a scenario where some backbencher MP's who aren't tainted with the policies of the past coming in with some fresh perspective but what would they be championing policy wise? How do you deal with a fracture in a political party this bad where there is open revolt against top brass?

Applying this level of thinking in the corporate world would be like saying some middle management is going to turn around a sinking company. The board, the CEO and top executives are under attack, the stock is collapsing, there is opening fighting and a severe disagreement on forward strategy and a whole lot more going on.

A few middle managers and a rookie CEO is going to make some amazing comeback against a well financed, well organized, popular company with a significant lead in the market?

Just today Trudeau was handing out top cabinet posts in finance, it's such a coveted role politically due to the high profile nature and the opportunity post politics for influence and earning potential. He couldn't find a taker until a very close friend came in to bail him out.

If anybody thought today was hard in the Liberal party, just wait until tomorrow and the rest of the remaining weeks. This is when the blame game, the finger pointing, the insults and the frank conversations are to be had. This is not going to be easy for the people in charge cause they are wearing their decisions, decisions that are going to cost a lot of people a lot of money and their careers.

When I said that the suggestion box is wide open, I actually mean it. How does the Liberal turn their fortunes around this fast? How do they raise money and recruit top talent? What messaging and policies do they go to Canadians with and convince all the opposition to stop the attacks?

This is the political team that is going to get Canada back on track? Would a tired, struggling and dysfunctional hockey team be considered the best team to win a championship?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Because “being liberal” has strategically been memed into our psyches for a decade +.

How doth they been pwned then?

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I don't think anybody said anything about Libtard's or anything, but what would be a realistic scenario that would play out quite well for the Liberal Party in the next 6-9 months? We already know that a lot of cabinet members and MP's are officially considered EOL and DOA politically. I could see a scenario where some backbencher MP's who aren't tainted with the policies of the past coming in with some fresh perspective but what would they be championing policy wise? How do you deal with a fracture in a political party this bad where there is open revolt against top brass?

Applying this level of thinking in the corporate world would be like saying some middle management is going to turn around a sinking company. The board, the CEO and top executives are under attack, the stock is collapsing, there is opening fighting and a severe disagreement on forward strategy and a whole lot more going on.

A few middle managers and a rookie CEO is going to make some amazing comeback against a well financed, well organized, popular company with a significant lead in the market?

Just today Trudeau was handing out top cabinet posts in finance, it's such a coveted role politically due to the high profile nature and the opportunity post politics for influence and earning potential. He couldn't find a taker until a very close friend came in to bail him out.

If anybody thought today was hard in the Liberal party, just wait until tomorrow and the rest of the remaining weeks. This is when the blame game, the finger pointing, the insults and the frank conversations are to be had. This is not going to be easy for the people in charge cause they are wearing their decisions, decisions that are going to cost a lot of people a lot of money and their careers.

When I said that the suggestion box is wide open, I actually mean it. How does the Liberal turn their fortunes around this fast? How do they raise money and recruit top talent? What messaging and policies do they go to Canadians with and convince all the opposition to stop the attacks?

This is the political team that is going to get Canada back on track? Would a tired, struggling and dysfunctional hockey team be considered the best team to win a championship?

You have missed the point and should re-read what PF and BT said. It sometimes sounds like you want to want to hear yourself talk and are using people’s posts to segue into something else entirely.

This is why people are confused by your strange long-winded responses.

There is no reason why an election would be called if JT stepped down. To the decision makers who could force an election, there is nothing to be gained. It’s not happening until next Fall.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Wormius

You have missed the point and should re-read what PF and BT said. It sometimes sounds like you want to want to hear yourself talk and are using people’s posts to segue into something else entirely.

This is why people are confused by your strange long-winded responses.

There is no reason why an election would be called if JT stepped down. To the decision makers who could force an election, there is nothing to be gained. It’s not happening until next Fall.

Well I can see why the Liberals would want to hold on for dear life. I can see why the Conservatives want an election soon.

Why would the NDP or Block want to delay this nearly a year? To give the Liberals a chance to get stronger or figure things out and become a strong official opposition?

If you were an NDP or Block strategist, your telling me you wouldn't be chomping to at the bit to become the official opposition?

Perhaps I am a political newbie but I fail to see how we are not headed for an early election very soon. The government, top cabinet ministers and the party seem to be in turmoil, the NDP has been playing 3rd fiddle forever and the Block would love a chance to extract as much leverage as possible for their causes from Pierre, who need's strong support from Quebec in order to form a long lasting majority.

The Liberals either try to cling to power in a selfish way or rip off the band-aid now, get a new leader and let the Conservatives deal with the craziness south of the border for the time being while rebuilding quickly.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Well I can see why the Liberals would want to hold on for dear life. I can see why the Conservatives want an election soon.

Why would the NDP or Block want to delay this nearly a year? To give the Liberals a chance to get stronger or figure things out and become a strong official opposition?

If you were an NDP or Block strategist, your telling me you wouldn't be chomping to at the bit to become the official opposition?

Perhaps I am a political newbie but I fail to see how we are not headed for an early election very soon. The government, top cabinet ministers and the party seem to be in turmoil, the NDP has been playing 3rd fiddle forever and the Block would love a chance to extract as much leverage as possible for their causes from Pierre, who need's strong support from Quebec in order to form a long lasting majority.

The Liberals either try to cling to power in a selfish way or rip off the band-aid now, get a new leader and let the Conservatives deal with the craziness south of the border for the time being while rebuilding quickly.

The only people who can do anything are the NDP. It’s not in their favour to call an election now. They have some leverage now until next Fall. If they force an election, their fortunes are not going to change for the better. Best case for them is status quo, more likely though they’re Green Party 2.0. Why risk it?

[Locke]

Is it too early to burn down The Reichstag Parliament?

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Locke

Is it too early to burn down The Reichstag Parliament?

Wrong thread bruh

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by curves2000

If you were an NDP or Block strategist, your telling me you wouldn't be chomping to at the bit to become the official opposition?

What gives the NDP and Bloc a better opportunity to further their goals and agenda? Being the Official Opposition in a Conservative majority government, or being parties that hold the balance of power in a minority government?

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Wormius

The only people who can do anything are the NDP. It’s not in their favour to call an election now. They have some leverage now until next Fall. If they force an election, their fortunes are not going to change for the better. Best case for them is status quo, more likely though they’re Green Party 2.0. Why risk it?

I don't know how much life this Liberal government has or why the NDP/Block would keep them alive much longer. I sense it's logical for the country to have a say in new leadership.

There are no good options. Trudeau is done, so the Liberals need a new leader, need to deal with the new Trump admin and are facing an election in the near future where they are most likely going to get smoked.

Trump's admin doesn't like Freeland very much, hampering a potential deal and leadership race. Carney may or may not take the role soon. Who knows?

If I had to guess I think cooler heads will prevail and things will become clearer soon. I just think it's logical to head into a period of uncertainty with some mandate come the early spring if not sooner.

[CaptainCrunch]

Wow Justin Edmonton Oiler'd her, no wonder she burnt down the party on the way out the door.


Did it by zoom.



told her she'd be fired after a press conference and she delivered the FES.


Then she'd be shuffled to a position with no money, no staff and no authority.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1868865392912867764


I'm not a fan of Freeland's, but at least she left like kinda a boss.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by btimbit

People like that do, that's exactly it. They think Trudeau = Liberals, so saying something like 'even if Trudeau steps down tomorrow, there's still a good chance the election doesn't happen until October' like you did, that's very confusing and angering to them.

Yeah, it's totally dickish for me to phrase it like that, but holy #### how many times does it have to be said in here that nobody is defending Trudeau, but still gets the 'lol libtard' treatment if they don't just follow conservative talking points

If he just quits, this is accurate.

In the case of Singh pulling NDP support in parliament, it means an election within a month or so if a confidence vote occurs and the Liberals dont win it.

Singh has stated "everything is on the table" to get Trudeau out, so its safe to assume that he meant just that, a non-confidence vote.

I will believe it when I see it mind you as Im not sure there will be a confidence vote until March.....by which time Singh will be bought by some sort of policy given by the PMO and his posse of clowns and we are status quo until next fall.