2010 NFL Regular Season Thread

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

Considering the Chiefs recent history I am being cautiously optimistic about the team so far this season. Still, the Chiefs this season look much, much different than the Chiefs teams that lost at home to the Raiders the last two or three years.

I still think the Raiders will split with the Chiefs. The Chiefs are well coached and have great team speed but I didn't buy into the Broncos after their 6-0 start last year and I'm not buying into the Chiefs who have lost two of their last three and gave up over 200 yards passing and 2 TD's to a guy that was working on a farm a couple of weeks ago.

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Favre is costing the Vikings games this year.

Originally Posted by rubecube

Brad Childress' play-calling baffles me.

There are TWO problems with the Vikings this year. And rube has hit both on the head.

I sincerely hope Favre AND Childress are gone by the end of the year. Because this is getting effing frustrating.

The defense plays lights out every week and the offense has players like Adrian Peterson, Randy Moss and Percy Harvin....and you STILL can't win?

Why aren't you trying to throw bombs to Randy Moss with 35 seconds left and 2 timeouts?

Why aren't you using play-action with the Packers saftey's biting on every run?

Why not just eat the ball while getting sacked, instead of tossing errant passes?

Why can this team never figure out it's QB situation....EVER?!

[transplant99]

No question Favre made a couple mistakes last night, but was it his fault they lost? No way.

he threw two strikes for TD's that the receivers didnt come down with....Schiancoe was likely a catch most times but that aside, Harvin has to get his feet in on the last one. Either one of those happen and they win.

I fault him completely on the Bishop pick 6 but the other 2? No way. First one he got hit as he released it and the last one Harvin has to come back to the ball in that situation...I mean Collins came AROUND him to pick it.

Why they stray from AP so often is confusing...Childress really is trying to re-invent the wheel it seems. GB had to use O-lineman on defense they are so beat up and short bodies due to injuries...and the Vikes should of run the ball, run it again, and then run it one more time for good measure.

I think the Vikes are REAL close to doing great things but until the OC and Childress decide to play to their strengths and run to set up play action, they will wallow.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by transplant99

No question Favre made a couple mistakes last night, but was it his fault they lost? No way.

Now let me qualify the following statement by saying that this is far from an attack and I have a tendency to defend certain players come hell or high water too. But honestly, in your mind, is it ever Favre's fault? I know that this season alone you've defended him more than, IMO, he deserves. Based on Childress' comments yesterday, I would say that there's far more responsibility on Favre than just a couple bad throws. He's not playing in the system... it almost sounds like he's a rogue player, doing whatever the hell he wants because he's Brett Favre.

I don't know... to say Harvin should have got his feet in bounds is a stretch... that's a miracle play at best. That's the perfect example of trying to deflect blame. Favre's the QB - he loves the accolades and the attention the position brings, but at the end of the day, when you have thrown as many picks as he has... the blame is yours to shoulder too.

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by transplant99

No question Favre made a couple mistakes last night, but was it his fault they lost? No way.

Bulls*%t....absolute and complete bulls*%t.

Throwing to Harvin while double covered, in the back of the endzone and expecting him to get two feet in bounds? Ya, that's ALL Harvin's fault.

Remember the play when he got sacked and underhanded the ball like a loaf of bread? Ya, that was almost picked off too. But that must have been someone else's mistake. Let's blame...the o-line for that?

Favre better stop reading his press clippings from last year and either take responsibility for his dreadful play or just admit that there are things OUTSIDE of the game that are distracting him. As I see, and I know I'm not alone, he's making this team worse and there is no two ways around that.

[transplant99]

But honestly, in your mind, is it ever Favre's fault?

Of course it is...at times. Last night was not one of those times. Earlier this season he was flat out awful...and that was by his own doing and missing TC. But last night? Again...what about the receivers? he made the throws...they didnt come down with them. Not sure what else you expect a QB to do.

I know that this season alone you've defended him more than, IMO, he deserves.

When people start spewing such absurd statements such as the guy is only a drama queen who isnt among the discussion among the greats...yes i will defend him til i am out of breath. He, quite simply, is one of the best football players to ever put pads on, and people simply want to put that aside because he has retired twice and come back. they want to point out he leads the NFL alltime in INT"s....well no kidding. When you have thrown the ball more than anyone ever has, you may expect to have a few more INT's than other guys. Just judging a guy of his talent and caliber in such narrow ways is both shallow and unrealistic.

Based on Childress' comments yesterday, I would say that there's far more responsibility on Favre than just a couple bad throws

Like what? Thats what Childress was clamoring about...turning the ball over. As I said one of those was squarely on favre, but the other 2? Other circumstances led to them. The fact that Childress threw favre out on ana island tells me all I need to know about that guy...he has a job this season because of Favre and his performance last year IMO.

it almost sounds like he's a rogue player, doing whatever the hell he wants because he's Brett Favre.

Nonsense. The guy didnt make through 20 NFL years winning every award possible and having the support of teamamtes because he "did things his own way" Think about that statement. I mean why did he come back this year when he did? Because his teammates flew down to his house and asked him to. Do you think players do that with a guy who wont help them win within the system they ALL play? really?

I don't know... to say Harvin should have got his feet in bounds is a stretch... that's a miracle play at best.

i agree...yet Favre threw the ball to where Harvin was...what else is the guy supposed to do?

That's the perfect example of trying to deflect blame.

Deflecting blame?? Who is doing that...favre actually accepted blame in his presser last night...unlike his OC that is masquerading as his head coach.

Favre's the QB - he loves the accolades and the attention the position brings, but at the end of the day, when you have thrown as many picks as he has... the blame is yours to shoulder too.

OK...blame him for all the INT's if you like. Do you think that is why they lost last night...why didnt Childress challenge the Quarless TD catch that wasnt? Or against the Saints last year...what about the 6 fumbles before the late pick?

See this is what i dont get about people that hate Favre...the man has played the hardest position in the game at its highest level for 20 years, and he has done it with his style that leads to both successes and some failures. He will try the throws others wont....most will work and some wont, but the Vikes KNEW that when they went and wooed him to come back. Now when it plays out as it always has....they are gonna jump all over him? Just ridiculous.

70,000+ passing yards. But he throws INT's.

OK.

[Sylvanfan]

Simply put Farve has been reckless with his ball security this year. Last year he stayed within the system, was healthy and had a great year. This year he's been forcing things a lot more and taking a lot more chances, and he's been turning the ball over at a brutal rate. No NFL team is going to win if their QB is turning the ball over three times a game. He's far from 100% healthy, and he's still trying to play like he's Superman.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

Bulls*%t....absolute and complete bulls*%t.

Throwing to Harvin while double covered, in the back of the endzone and expecting him to get two feet in bounds? Ya, that's ALL Harvin's fault.

Remember the play when he got sacked and underhanded the ball like a loaf of bread? Ya, that was almost picked off too. But that must have been someone else's mistake. Let's blame...the o-line for that?

Favre better stop reading his press clippings from last year and either take responsibility for his dreadful play or just admit that there are things OUTSIDE of the game that are distracting him. As I see, and I know I'm not alone, he's making this team worse and there is no two ways around that.

Holy crap man. He threw to Harvin...because THATS WHERE HARVIN WENT. Where else is he supposed to throw the ball???

He's making the team worse is he? So you are then suggesting that Tavaris Jackson would be a better choice for them?

I sincerely hope we see that come to fruition...because then I know the Vikings will be absolutely ZERO threat to the Packers winning the division and would finish well behind the Bears as well.

[transplant99]

harvins own words...

"I knew it was going to be a close call," Harvin said. "I did the best I could trying to get the ball down. It was a heck of a throw. Just ran out of space. Some of those plays you make, some you don't. Of course we wish we could make them."

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Holy crap man. He threw to Harvin...because THATS WHERE HARVIN WENT. Where else is he supposed to throw the ball???

He's making the team worse is he? So you are then suggesting that Tavaris Jackson would be a better choice for them?

I sincerely hope we see that come to fruition...because then I know the Vikings will be absolutely ZERO threat to the Packers winning the division and would finish well behind the Bears as well.

Holy crap dude. Throw the ball to double coverage? REALLY? Just because that's where the receiver is? Honestly, you are delusional if you think that was the right move. He threw into double coverage about 6 times last night, when other receivers are open.

Maybe Jackson would be better because maybe HE WOULDN'T THROW 4 PICKS IN A GAME!! If he's throwing picks, 90% of them are going to be HIS fault. Favre is maybe 60% healthy at this point and maybe only has 60% of his head in the game. It's UNREAL that you think he can still lead this team to be a threat to anyone. Jackson definitely isn't the answer, but at some point I'd love to see what he's learned as a backup to Brett Favre.

Last night's game was a winnable game for the Vikings we lost SQUARELY because of Brett Favre and Brad Childress. Brett doesn't throw that ludicrous pick-six and/or Childress actually challenges plays and we win.

Miami game....winnable game. All credit due to the Dolphins but again how many turnovers did Favre have in that game? 4.

Saints game....winnable. But the team was lazy and the offense inept. That goes on the whole team.

Jets game....not as winnable. And even with the Jets being a viscous defence Favre's stats were horrible. 14 for 34 for 264 yards....really? 41% completion rate and throwing a horrible pick for....guess what? Another pick-six.

So excuse me if I think Favre is COSTING this team wins. Favre is detrimental to this offense and to this team and I'd be shocked if other people don't think so. It's not all his fault, he's old, his marriage might be hanging in the balance, he's old, etc. His body is falling apart and that's bound to happen at his age. But bottom line is this guy is not helping the team win...he's actually COSTING us wins.

Again, is Tarvaris the answer? I highly doubt it but as a Vikings fan I'd be open to see if he his the answer so that if he's not, a QB will be top priority in the offseason.

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by transplant99

harvins own words...

Ya, the 22 year old receiver is going to throw the 41 year old future HOF QB under the bus...oh wait...

[OILFAN #81]

Favre's problem is that he won't take the sack. He has to learn it is better to lose 5-6 yards and make it 2nd and 16 rather then chuck up a ball in tight/double coverage in the hopes of a miraculous catch. Throw the ball away or take the sack sometimes.

They had a stat last year where in the two head to head games, Rodgers was sacked 14 times and Favre 0. Great job by the Vikings defense to sack him 14 times......but not surprised Favre wasn't sacked. When he is pressured he just tosses the ball to a covered reciever.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

Again, is Tarvaris the answer? I highly doubt it but as a Vikings fan I'd be open to see if he his the answer so that if he's not, a QB will be top priority in the offseason.

This is kinda out of nowhere and not really related but I would love to see Mike Vick as the quarterback of the Vikings next year.

Moss, Vick, Harvin, Rice, and Peterson would be a lot of fun to see on the same team. They may not win the Super Bowl but hell that would be a fun team to watch every Sunday.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

Ya, the 22 year old receiver is going to throw the 41 year old future HOF QB under the bus...oh wait...

Ummm...so now when the player actually addresses the point of contention...we arent to believe him either? Honestly?

Holy crap dude. Throw the ball to double coverage? REALLY?

yes...really. Oh and by the way? He made the completion...I saw it with my own two eyes. One foot comes down 6" elsewhere, its a TD. What are you arguing? i really havent taken the time to look where everyone else was on the field or if they were open or not, but I do know this...that throw and CATCH was not what "cost his team the game".

I sincerely hope Jackson does get under center...i really do.

He has started 19 games for the Vikes. He has 21 TDS and 18 INT's.

Favre has started 22 games and has 40 TD's and 17 INT's.

I know who i am more worried about beating.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Childress obviously does not know the rules. That wasn't a catch and neither was the GB one at the back of the endzone before that, that he should have challenged himself.

The ball cannot touch the ground period! The receiver must have full control throughout the catch until he hands the ball back to the ref. Think back to the Calvin Johnson non-catch in Week 1!

Yes it can, you just have to have control before it does and maintain control throught the contact. If you have two hands wrapped around the ball and have control it doesn't matter if the nose comes into contact with the ground afterwards so long as you maintain that control. Typically when the ball touches the ground in these situations the ground aids the player in gaining control, but that's not always the case.

The Johnson situation was completely different. That was a weird quirk in the rules that causes a play that is a catch everywhere else on the field to be an incompletion in the endzone becasue he was deemed to have not completed the process of making the catch.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

This is kinda out of nowhere and not really related but I would love to see Mike Vick as the quarterback of the Vikings next year.

Moss, Vick, Harvin, Rice, and Peterson would be a lot of fun to see on the same team. They may not win the Super Bowl but hell that would be a fun team to watch every Sunday.

Add Moss and a healthy Sidney Rice...a matchup nightmare for every team they face.

[troutman]

SNL - Favre for Wrangler "Open Fly" jeans:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_773014.html

"It's the perfect marriage of comfort and style -- And that's a marriage that I can respect!"

[transplant99]

ESPN just reported that Favre has a stress fracture in his ankle...no surgery required but is in a walking boot.

may spell the end of single most impressive streak in sports history.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

This is kinda out of nowhere and not really related but I would love to see Mike Vick as the quarterback of the Vikings next year.

Moss, Vick, Harvin, Rice, and Peterson would be a lot of fun to see on the same team. They may not win the Super Bowl but hell that would be a fun team to watch every Sunday.

From your lips to God's ears pal.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by transplant99

ESPN just reported that Favre has a stress fracture in his ankle...no surgery required but is in a walking boot.

may spell the end of single most impressive streak in sports history.

One of the most impressive anyways.

More importantly, it could be a very very tragic end to what was a tremendous legacy.