Israel declares war on Hamas

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Elect stupid people win stupid prizes?

Darn non-existent foresight strikes again!

Is this parody?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Beninho

My whole damn point with you is that this is not just a religious conflict, at least from the Jewish side of the conversation. You painting it as such again shows your lack of understanding.

And your point makes no sense. You're the one who keeps bringing up this ridiculous 3,000 year old connection to the land, which is documented how? Oh yeah, your religious text. But not religious at all. Again, all you say is #### about not "understanding" but you do NOTHING to try and explain what is not known/understood. Use your words. Explain what people are missing.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

And your point makes no sense. You're the one who keeps bringing up this ridiculous 3,000 year old connection to the land, which is documented how? Oh yeah, your religious text. But not religious at all. Again, all you say is #### about not "understanding" but you do NOTHING to try and explain what is not known/understood. Use your words. Explain what people are missing.

Are you serious? There is tons of archeological evidence, DNA evidence, the fact that there was a continuous Jewish present even after the first diaspora. Jews from Poland and Jews from Morroco are more related to each-other than to their host populations because we derive from one place. From a DNA perspective its been shown in many studies that modern Jews descend from the middle east. The only reason i am arguing with you is you have a clear lack of education on Jewish history. We have a right to be there and so do the Palestinians. It is not a story or a fairy tale. These are historical facts. The only people who don’t want to understand this are people who simply do not understand history. You can be critical of the Israeli government all day long, but the connection Jews have to the land is indisputable and not only based religion. Seriously done arguing with you. You clearly have a hatred for religion and that is fine but you are spewing nothing but bull####

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by transplant99

losing

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Are you serious? There is tons of archeological evidence, DNA evidence, the fact that there was a continuous Jewish present even after the first diaspora. Jews from Poland and Jews from Morroco are more related to each-other than to their host populations because we derive from one place. From a DNA perspective its been shown in many studies that modern Jews descend from the middle east. The only reason i am arguing with you is you have a clear lack of education on Jewish history. We have a right to be there and so do the Palestinians. It is not a story or a fairy tale. These are historical facts. The only people who don’t want to understand this are people who simply do not understand history. You can be critical of the Israeli government all day long, but the connection Jews have to the land is indisputable and not only based religion.

1. Why does archeological evidence matter? So what, there were people that spoke Hebrew and practiced Judaism in the area. OK? So what?

2. More importantly, how are the present day jews connected to the land in any way other than the old testament? Which town did your ancestors occupy? Do you have any other blood other than Jewish blood? If so, why does your Jewish blood take precedence over any other ethnicity?

A palestinian can tell you. My dad grew up here. My mother was born in this hospital. My family used to tend these olive trees, close to this village. They used to go to a dentist named Ahmed in the next town over.

That is a connection to the land.

Jews basically have a book of random dudes that they connect to. Those connections are real, but it's about as valid as someone connecting with the story of Cinderella and needing to move to the south of France for it.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by _Q_

1. Why does archeological evidence matter? So what, there were people that spoke Hebrew and practiced Judaism in the area. OK? So what?

2. More importantly, how are the present day jews connected to the land in any way other than the old testament? Which town did your ancestors occupy? Do you have any other blood other than Jewish blood? If so, why does your Jewish blood take precedence over any other ethnicity?

A palestinian can tell you. My dad grew up here. My mother was born in this hospital. My family used to tend these olive trees, close to this village. They used to go to a dentist named Ahmed in the next town over.

That is a connection to the land.

Jews basically have a book of random dudes that they connect to. Those connections are real, but it's about as valid as someone connecting with the story of Cinderella and needing to move to the south of France for it.

I am not going to get in historical debate over things that are historical facts. I’ve not once said Jews are superior to Palestinians and said multiple times the Palestinians deserve a state. A state that doesn’t attempt to wipe out Israel, but focuses on state building

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Beninho

I am not going to get in historical debate over things that are historical facts. I’ve not once said Jews are superior to Palestinians and said multiple times the Palestinians deserve a state. A state that doesn’t attempt to wipe out Israel, but focuses on state building

They had their chance in 1947, the UN drew up the map for 2 states but what did they do? reject it and attack the Jews, after the Palestinians got creamed for that stunt Israel declared independence only to have five other Arab country's attack them and lose. Been that way ever since.

How many times does one need to get their ass kicked before you find a way to get along?

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

Originally Posted by Bagor

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

To add to that:

The purpose of the doctrine was to perpetuate the rift between Hamas in Gaza and the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. That would preserve the diplomatic paralysis and forever remove the “danger” of negotiations with the Palestinians over the partition of Israel into two states – on the argument that the Palestinian Authority doesn’t represent all the Palestinians.

That flawed strategy turned Hamas from a minor terrorist organization into an efficient, lethal army with highly trained, dehumanized stormtroopers, bloodthirsty killers who mercilessly slaughtered innocent Israeli civilians including women, children and the elderly.

Between 2012 and 2018, Netanyahu gave Qatar approval to transfer a cumulative sum of about a billion dollars to Gaza, at least half of which reached Hamas, including its military wing. According to the Jerusalem Post, in a private meeting with members of his Likud party on March 11, 2019, Netanyahu explained the reckless step as follows: The money transfer is part of the strategy to divide the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Anyone who opposes the establishment of a Palestinian state needs to support the transfer of the money from Qatar to Hamas. In that way, we will foil the establishment of a Palestinian state (as reported in former cabinet member Haim Ramon’s Hebrew-language book “Neged Haruach”, p. 417).

In an interview with the Ynet news website on May 5, 2019, Netanyahu associate Gershon Hacohen, a major general in reserves, said, “We need to tell the truth. Netanyahu’s strategy is to prevent the option of two states, so he is turning Hamas into his closest partner. Openly Hamas is an enemy. Covertly, it’s an ally.”

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...b-bfdfd8f30000

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

They had their chance in 1947, the UN drew up the map for 2 states but what did they do? reject it and attack the Jews, after the Palestinians got creamed for that stunt Israel declared independence only to have five other Arab country's attack them and lose. Been that way ever since.

How many times does one need to get their ass kicked before you find a way to get along?

How often do the Palestinians need to fight hate and oppression before Israel changes their ways?

The Palestinians don't only have the moral authority to fight racism and fascism, they have the moral obligation.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by opendoor

To add to that:



https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...b-bfdfd8f30000

Israel needs Hamas more than anyone else in the region. Without hamas, Israel would have no crisis to excuse their ethnic cleansing.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by _Q_

This is such a weird take I've seen from some of you. Aside from it being untrue, if we're going to agree with this assertion, so what? What point are you trying to make? The point that the Palestinians need freedom and rights in their homeland? OK I can agree with that.

The point is that none of the countries in this region are actively working towards a solution here. Many Arab countries that cry foul are fine using Palestinian people as cannon fodder for their own ends.

Perhaps it’s just me being cynical that there is no resolution to this situation anytime soon; and somehow getting Palestinians what they deserve is not an end to the issue

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

I believe that when you take into account that there are considerably less jews than black people and that the majority of those jews aren’t visible minorities, the numbers start looking much worse. I wont get into the religious part either.

Anyway, I tried putting that into perspective for another user that didnt know how bad anti-Semitism was, even after watching those sick protests.
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Does anti-semitism increase when the Israeli - Palestine conflict becomes more acute? Like do you think people angry at Israeli foreign policy and empathetic to the plight of the Palestinians take out their anger on random Jews?

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Cappy

The point is that none of the countries in this region are actively working towards a solution here. Many Arab countries that cry foul are fine using Palestinian people as cannon fodder for their own ends.

Perhaps it’s just me being cynical that there is no resolution to this situation anytime soon; and somehow getting Palestinians what they deserve is not an end to the issue

Nations are all out for themselves first and foremost. No nation is risking annihilation for a foreign nation.

Even America's relationship with Israel is a perceived America first policy.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by _Q_

How often do the Palestinians need to fight hate and oppression before Israel changes their ways?

The Palestinians don't only have the moral authority to fight racism and fascism, they have the moral obligation.

I see you have had your indoctrination, quite clear, go buy a popsicle dude

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Beninho

We have a right to be there and so do the Palestinians.

This is all that matters. Shut up about anything else. Both cultures deserve to be there and be equal. Unfortunately one lives in an apartheid state under the boot heel of the other. Chew on that for a while. You piss and moan about the oppression your people have faced over the millennia (what minority hasn't?) but you're okay with the oppression enforced on the Palestinians, whose lands were taken away from to create the state of Israel. The very reason why the Arab nations were against the Balfour Declaration was because they feared Israel would subjugate the Palestinians. They were pretty much right on the mark.

[transplant99]

Things are going to get fugly.

Ugh.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1713375947502624798

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

This is all that matters. Shut up about anything else. Both cultures deserve to be there and be equal. Unfortunately one lives in an apartheid under the boot heel of the other. Chew on that for a while. You piss and moan about the oppression your people have faced over the millennia (what minority hasn't?) but you're okay with the oppression enforced on the Palestinians, whose lands were taken away from to create the state of Israel. The very reason why the Arab nations were against the Balfour Declaration was because they feared Israel would subjugate the Palestinians. They were pretty much right on the mark.

Thus is such bull####. A free and independent, prosperous Palestinian state could be celebrating its 20th or more anniversary had its leadership uprooted and eliminated terrorist elements from within and accepted the existence of Israel and the right of the Jewish people to live there in peace.

Hamas has likely ended the two state solution and has sentenced the Palestinians to decades of misery. They did this. They and their sponsors bear sole responsibility.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Things are going to get fugly.

Ugh.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1713375947502624798

Is that against Hamas?

It should be

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Thus is such bull####. A free and independent, prosperous Palestinian state could be celebrating its 20th or more anniversary had its leadership uprooted and eliminated terrorist elements from within and accepted the existence of Israel and the right of the Jewish people to live there in peace.

Hamas has likely ended the two state solution and has sentenced the Palestinians to decades of misery. They did this. They and their sponsors bear sole responsibility.

This is bull####.

Did Japan lose its right to their own nation after they lost World War 2? Did Germany? Did Iraq after the war on terror? Did Afghanistan? No to all. Why? Because the attacking force, as brutal as they were understood that the surrendering nation still deserves the same dignity that is afforded to all humans across the world.

Israel on the other hand, " you guys lose your right to being humans. Either accept it or find a place to die."

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by pepsifree

the contrast between how people speak about israeli deaths and palestinian deaths, as seen here, is always startling, and probably why the innocence of the israeli side is hard to believe.

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