[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[OminousFlames]

I remember last summer, hating the Kadri signing.. and most people were like "ignore 5 years down the road, this is a win now"
I also disliked the Monahan trade. To throw away a first just like candy to get rid of a dedicated flames player for 1 season.
I think the Tkachuk trade was good, but media kept saying along the lines that Calgary didn't win that trade unless they signed said players, and Tre buckled.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by OminousFlames

I remember last summer, hating the Kadri signing.. and most people were like "ignore 5 years down the road, this is a win now"
I also disliked the Monahan trade. To throw away a first just like candy to get rid of a dedicated flames player for 1 season.
I think the Tkachuk trade was good, but media kept saying along the lines that Calgary didn't win that trade unless they signed said players, and Tre buckled.

Treliving buckled? You don’t think Edwards had his hands all over that? Doesn’t it strike you as curious that the Flames had never handed out a contract like that, ever, yet they had no problem doing so for a player that hadn’t played a single game for them within 4-6 weeks after losing a direct comparable player?

I doubt it was Treliving who ‘buckled’.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Treliving buckled? You don’t think Edwards had his hands all over that? Doesn’t it strike you as curious that the Flames had never handed out a contract like that, ever, yet they had no problem doing so for a player that hadn’t played a single game for them within 4-6 weeks after losing a direct comparable player?

I doubt it was Treliving who ‘buckled’.

It’s not like Huberdeau was some rookie scrub. I think he had a good enough body of work in the league that they felt it was a safe bet.

I’m sure it will turn out to be one too.

[GullFoss]

Tre's good moves: Tre is a wizard and a saint.

Tre's bad moves: One of Canada's most a astute businessmen and dealmaker is a meddling bonehead owner that forced Tre's hand.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Tre's good moves: Tre is a wizard and a saint.

Tre's bad moves: One of Canada's most a astute businessmen and dealmaker is a meddling bonehead owner that forced Tre's hand.

This is nonsense

Being a successful businessman doesn’t make you a good assessor of hockey talent

Being an oil executive doesn’t make you a hockey operations genius

Even being the greatest player ever doesn’t mean you will be a good coach

[Mattman]

The longer we wait the closer to the Stone Age we get.

This organization bleeds just waiting things out to the last drop. And all the people can do is just watch as they do it to themselves.

There's a panic when there's a skunk in the room, but it's even worse when you can smell it, and you don't see it.

Really feels like we hit the darkest timeline somewhere last season. Remarkable the shift in energy from beating the Stars in double OT and then fast forward 2 months.

Just being a fan and having the luxury of being excited for your team, regardless of thier standings is a nice feeling. But this organization has hit the needle on the nose and somehow landed in perfect mediocrity, and it sucks.

I just want an organization to be proud of, however the Flames just lost that somewhere along the way.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by OminousFlames

I remember last summer, hating the Kadri signing.. and most people were like "ignore 5 years down the road, this is a win now"
I also disliked the Monahan trade. To throw away a first just like candy to get rid of a dedicated flames player for 1 season.
I think the Tkachuk trade was good, but media kept saying along the lines that Calgary didn't win that trade unless they signed said players, and Tre buckled.

I think you’re right except for the ”buckled” under pressure from media part. I think Tre was smart enough to not be driven by the media. That was Tre’s own chosen management strategy to lock up Huberdeau long term, plus or minus pressure from ownership. And same with getting rid of Monahan and the 1st to get Kadri on an atrocious long term contract.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

This is nonsense

Being a successful businessman doesn’t make you a good assessor of hockey talent

Being an oil executive doesn’t make you a hockey operations genius

Even being the greatest player ever doesn’t mean you will be a good coach

The point is that it seems like any time there is a good move by management, Treliving had heaps of praise thrown at him. Any time some looks bad or didn't turn out, it's because of the meddling owner forcing Treliving to do things, or sometimes because Sutter made him bring in the player.

It's like Treliving isn't responsible for trades and signings, unless they work out. In that case, he is a wizard.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Mattman

The longer we wait the closer to the Stone Age we get.

This organization bleeds just waiting things out to the last drop. And all the people can do is just watch as they do it to themselves.

There's a panic when there's a skunk in the room, but it's even worse when you can smell it, and you don't see it.

Really feels like we hit the darkest timeline somewhere last season. Remarkable the shift in energy from beating the Stars in double OT and then fast forward 2 months.

Just being a fan and having the luxury of being excited for your team, regardless of thier standings is a nice feeling. But this organization has hit the needle on the nose and somehow landed in perfect mediocrity, and it sucks.

I just want an organization to be proud of, however the Flames just lost that somewhere along the way.

3 Assistant Captains

Embarrassing

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

This is nonsense

Being a successful businessman doesn’t make you a good assessor of hockey talent

Being an oil executive doesn’t make you a hockey operations genius

Even being the greatest player ever doesn’t mean you will be a good coach

You missed the point he was making in that post.
Either the owner is meddling in both good and bad moves or he's not. Whether they're a good meddler is irrelevant.

It's the notion that good moves were all Tre & just the bad moves were meddling that's nonsense.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The point is that it seems like any time there is a good move by management, Treliving had heaps of praise thrown at him. Any time some looks bad or didn't turn out, it's because of the meddling owner forcing Treliving to do things, or sometimes because Sutter made him bring in the player.

It's like Treliving isn't responsible for trades and signings, unless they work out. In that case, he is a wizard.

This too is nonsense

Lots of people agreed that certain moves didn’t pan out

Nobody is saying Kadri is on Edwards

It’s the political stink, the Sutter / owner alignment that is the issue


I will agree that it’s interesting. Some of us thought it made sense that the ownership was behind the return of Sutter

Lots of fan support for Tre’s independence on that at the time

But it really looks like those people were right - there was a power struggle and Tre in the end said ‘#### this’


Good god. The Flames have always been known to have meddling owners. Everything we are seeing falls perfectly in line with that narrative

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

You missed the point he was making in that post.
Either the owner is meddling in both good and bad moves or he's not. Whether they're a good meddler is irrelevant.

It's the notion that good moves were all Tre & just the bad moves were meddling that's nonsense.

You think that if someone meddles in one key high impact decision, he meddles in absolutely everything?

That is nonsense

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

S
Richardson (likely) - Depth d-man who was pretty inconsequential.

Isn't he a centre? I thought he was decent depth, but agreed, not a key piece.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Isn't he a centre? I thought he was decent depth, but agreed, not a key piece.

Yeah, you're right. Not sure what I was thinking.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

You missed the point he was making in that post.
Either the owner is meddling in both good and bad moves or he's not. Whether they're a good meddler is irrelevant.

It's the notion that good moves were all Tre & just the bad moves were meddling that's nonsense.

Yeah agree with this.

Maybe ownership meddled because they didn't have full confidence in the guy.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yeah agree with this.

Maybe ownership meddled because they didn't have full confidence in the guy.

If they didn’t have full confidence in Treliving, why didn’t they fire him a year ago, or two years or whenever??

By many accounts they tried to extend him on more than one occasion this last year.

[Paulie Walnuts]

So why keep someone you don't have full confidence in that's just as stupid.

[Flamesfan05]

Treliving has done a good job manipulating the fans into thinking it’s the owners problem.

The owners may be but he is a mediocre GM that messed up frequently . He repeatedly bet on the wrong players. At the end he had 9 yrs and the era is over. He knows it himself . That’s why he is not coming back.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TOfan

If they didn’t have full confidence in Treliving, why didn’t they fire him a year ago, or two years or whenever??

By many accounts they tried to extend him on more than one occasion this last year.

Which likely means the meddling narrative is a pile of crap. Again, Treliving admitted he had circled back to Sutter when he hired Ward and Sutter wasn't ready. That means Treliving was open to Sutter being hired, meaning no meddling involved. If Edwards got involved it may have been to cajole Sutter back into the mix on behalf of the team, but Treliving had already made the contact and expressed desire to have Sutter back. That is not meddling if the GM was the one who made initial contact. Treliving got what he wanted and got the coach he tried to bring back.

Ownership has reportedly given Treliving everything he wanted to stay, including carte blanche to fire Sutter if desired. He turned that down. Frankly, I think Treliving took a look at his own work and realized there was no path forward for being a Stanley Cup contender with what he put together and the future outlook was not good. He elected to step away based on the lack of future he established in the system. The lack of draft picks is really going to become evident in the next three years when we need the cost controlled players to get us over the hump and they aren't there because of the picks bled for useless players at the deadlines. Those chickens are about to come home to roost, so the guy who was responsible elected to fly the coop. No one meddled in those decisions or moves.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The same person who said Treliving was given the chance to punt Sutter also said Edwards hired Sutter.

So you are just picking and choosing what you want from his news to fit you narrative.

To much smoke around this man and his grubby fingers meddling with the team for a very long time.