2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[dammage79]

This draft would line up with these prospects hitting their strides as the new arena c9mes online.

If I'm correct in that I can certainly see some big moves made here.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Knut

You don't know that. Give him a season away from Sutter and see how it goes.

In hindsight that deal is bad, but you can not judge Kadri for last season. Coming off a long playoff run,a major injury and very little offseason to prepare.

It is truly unlikely that Kadri has a better season at 33 than he has for most years prior. His last season here was close to his average over the last 5 years.

I'm not sure what people expected of him, but I think we (and Flames management) expect too much.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

It is truly unlikely that Kadri has a better season at 33 than he has for most years prior. His last season here was close to his average over the last 5 years.

I'm not sure what people expected of him, but I think we (and Flames management) expect too much.

The issue last year was not his point totals, but his energy and compete. Those have always been a strength of his. New Coaching should reinvigorate him to get those things back. 50-60 pt high energy guy is worth the 7 M

[Monahammer]

Do you know many people who have become more energetic at 33?

I think we gave him his retirement contract.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

That’s a rebuilding move, and Edwards won’t let the team rebuild. So while it’s an interesting deal for fans to speculate about, it was never a serious option for Treliving.

Tkachuk gave the Flames a list of six teams he would play for:

STL
COL
TBL
CAR
FLO
VGK

With their salary commitments, COL, TBL, and VGK were never realistic options.

That left CAR, FLO, and STL. CAR’s offer was futures-based. It would have meant the Flames taking a step back. Edwards put the kibosh on that.

So we’re down to the offers from FLO and STL (rumoured to be Kyrou plus picks and prospects). The Flames preferred the FLO offer.

Good to see you back.

Kyrou was never believed to be in the Blues package. He was a name tossed around largely by fans but the rumored deal, from several sources was this:

Vladimir Tarasenko, Marco Scandella and a high draft pick

So more like the Panthers deal, but worse.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think the whole Edwards kyboshing it was just fan speculation. The rumoured Carolina deal was Necas+ coming back, but the "plus" was never stated. Likely a 1st round and prospect. Necas was seen as an up and comer, although I am not too sure many people thought he would break out like he did this season.

At the presser with Maloney and Bean, Bean said that when they traded Tkachuk, they had a rebuilding kind of offer on the table and that "they" would have taken it. I am assuming by "they", he was speaking on behalf of Edwards to whom he reports to directly, and that the rebuilding deal was the one for Necas.

Maybe Bean means that they would have taken the offer until the Huberdeau offer came along, then kyboshed it, but there is no evidence of that. Just pure speculation by people who want to give Treliving the benefit of doubt. It is just as likely that Treliving decided to take the other offer, but that the choice was his.

After hearing Conroy speak about the differences in approach he will have compared to Treliving, i am more convinced that Treliving had more autonomy that what Treliving supporters have been assuming.

"He went off on his own sometimes."

Pretty close to a direct quote from Conroy regarding BT. In the presser, Flames TV or Seravalli interview.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Trading Monahan + a 1st to sign Kadri is the deal that really f'd this team. The Tkachuk trade was fine. Kadri is a total boat anchor and will be for the entire contract.

I was supportive of Kadri, but the deal to offload a 1st to get rid of one year of Monahan was really hard to understand.

Not trading that first from Florida makes the Tkachuk trade look a heck of a lot more favorable.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by shutout

https://thehockeywriters.com/flames-...x%20DeBrincat.

Chicago Blackhawks
Montreal Canadiens
Ottawa Senators

Last one is the only one that makes sense to me because they are closer to competing and can give up futures to get better now.

Wasn't Huby's contract front loaded like crazy? Like $45M upfront?

That would make his actual salary lower than his cap hit, which could further entice the right team.

[NewFan]

I think, it is not the year to trade Huberdeau.
Conroy will be busy trading at least 3 of Lindholm, Backlund, Tanev, Hanifin, Toffoli and one of Markstrom and Vladar.
So I think he will get back a couple players with higher cap hit but with short 1-3 years term to increase trade return.

My plan would be:
Keep Backlund, Tanev, Zadorov with max 3 year extention.
Trade Lindholm, Hanifin and Toffoli to get max return mostly blue chip prospect and high draft picks. Plus a couple salary dump players with 2-3 years left.
2024-2025 season:
Try to trade Huberdeau and Kadri and Markstrom. May include for cheaper but shorter bad contract but mostly for draft picks.
2025-2026 season:
Trade most of veteran players and buy out bad contract guys to free some cap space for the younger guys who needs increase.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Wasn't Huby's contract front loaded like crazy? Like $45M upfront?

That would make his actual salary lower than his cap hit, which could further entice the right team.

Nah. It’s worse. Heavy signing bonuses distributed evenly

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Good to see you back.

Kyrou was never believed to be in the Blues package. He was a name tossed around largely by fans but the rumored deal, from several sources was this:

Vladimir Tarasenko, Marco Scandella and a high draft pick

So more like the Panthers deal, but worse.

If Kyrou was on the table. Tkachuk would be in St. Louis imo

[Toonage]

That Hockey Writers article was awful.

"As president Don Maloney is unwilling to break up the core of the team, then Conroy only has the option to get rid of one contract."

What a load.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Toonage

That Hockey Writers article was awful.

"As president Don Maloney is unwilling to break up the core of the team, then Conroy only has the option to get rid of one contract."

What a load.

Hockey Writers is just a fan writing an opinion piece. There was one the other day that stated the Flames would trade Huberdeau and what they could get for him.
Edit: I see that is the article, I hadn't looked.

[ComixZone]

Looking at a somewhat recent history of top-10 picks getting traded:

2022:
Columbus acquired 6th overall from Chicago - but that trade was done in 2021.

To Chicago: 7th Overall, 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick
To Ottawa: Alex Debrincat

2021:
To Arizona: 9th Overall, Jay Beagle, Loui Eriksson, Antoine Roussel, 2nd round pick, 7th round pick
To Vancouver: Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Conor Garland

2020:
Ottawa acquired 3rd overall - but that trade was made in 2018

2019:
Colorado acquired 4th overall - but that trade was made in 2017

2018:
No top-10 picks moved

2017:
To Arizona: Derek Stepan, Antti Raanta
To New York: 7th overall, ANthony DeAngelo

2016:
No top-10 picks moved

2015:
No top-10 picks moved

2014:
Anaheim acquired 10th overall - but that trade was made in 2013

2013:
To New Jersey: Cory Schneider
To Vancouver: 9th Overall

2012:
To Pittsburgh: 8th Overall, Brandon Sutter, Brian Dumoulin
To Carolina: Jordan Staal

2011:
To Columbus: Jeff Carter
To Philadelphia: 8th Overall, 3rd rounder, Jakub Voracek

After looking at these trades, I could certainly see a path where Lindholm does get dealt in a trade that includes a top-10 pick.

Also, never trade future 1st round picks. I hate that Monahan to Montreal trade so much (even though it likely ends up being the Florida pick)

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I was supportive of Kadri, but the deal to offload a 1st to get rid of one year of Monahan was really hard to understand.

Not trading that first from Florida makes the Tkachuk trade look a heck of a lot more favorable.

Agreed.

And to offload one season, of a franchise favourite player..

Bananas. Comedy of errors made between last August and October.

Tre smelled blood, thought he had something after the trade and took it a little too far (Sutter extension also)

[indes]

My best crack at giving the team a new look. Younger and faster up front, but worse on the backend.

Clear up some cap space, with even more coming available next year after Myers hits UFA.

5 Picks in the first 2 rounds.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by indes

My best crack at giving the team a new look. Younger and faster up front, but worse on the backend.

Clear up some cap space, with even more coming available next year after Myers hits UFA.

5 Picks in the first 2 rounds.

Would love those trades as a Flames fan but Devils aren't moving Hischier and Backlund doesn't return Rossi. The other ones seem decent for both.

[Monahammer]

Jack Drury lol. How great would it be to have a father and son duo both publicly state that they hate our city.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Jack Drury lol. How great would it be to have a father and son duo both publicly state that they hate our city.

For the record, Jack's father is actually Ted Drury, who — to my knowledge — never had many negative things to say about Calgary.

But his uncle is Chris.

[Monahammer]

Ah! Fair. Well, nephew-uncle combo, then.