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Old 07-12-2024, 10:46 AM   #15461
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It's interesting that while there's been a few Dem politicians that have said Biden should step aside, most haven't.

I think that means they think he's the best shot at winning.. because if they truly thought he'll lose you would think a lot more would change their messaging since their fate is pretty closely tied to Biden's.

If Biden loses to Trump one would think there'd be a lot of other Dems who are going to be out if they lose their battles. So if they thought Biden will lose wouldn't they be more vocal to protect themselves?
Not many are on the record endorsing him to stay in the race either though. It seems like Jeffries has basically said the majority of the house caucus wants him to step aside. Senators may be more likely to tell Biden their wishes privately.

I don't see a path forward where Biden stays in the race. How can he run if the Democrat House leader is on record saying he shouldn't?
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What a lovely time to be alive
It is. If most people step away from the news and social media for a bit and look at their life objectively, it's an AWESOME time to be alive.
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It is. If most people step away from the news and social media for a bit and look at their life objectively, it's an AWESOME time to be alive.
I take breaks all the time but at some point news has to be read. And it sucks.
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I think that means they think he's the best shot at winning.. because if they truly thought he'll lose you would think a lot more would change their messaging since their fate is pretty closely tied to Biden's.
For some, their fate isn’t that tightly tied. A house member in a safe district, a senator in a solid blue state, or one of the senators not up for election this year may calculate that appearing loyal is more important for their own prospects in 2026, 28, and beyond. Or, more cynically, that the backlash against a Trump win might actually improve their prospects in the '26 midterms.
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These are the same people who literally wheeled Diane Feinstein in for votes after her stroke though. They're of questionable moral character. The reality is, you have an elderly man with clear cognitive deficiencies who is in charge of the nation. It's preposterous to suggest that there is no one of sound mind available, and even worse to think that there is no one else who could beat Trump.

I think just about any younger candidate would beat Trump. People are looking for something positive and inspiring to vote for, especially the 18-35 group and people who are still on the fence. These voters won't suddenly switch their vote to Trump if Biden stays in the race. But they just might stay home instead, and that's the problem.
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Old 07-12-2024, 12:03 PM   #15466
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For some, their fate isn’t that tightly tied. A house member in a safe district, a senator in a solid blue state, or one of the senators not up for election this year may calculate that appearing loyal is more important for their own prospects in 2026, 28, and beyond. Or, more cynically, that the backlash against a Trump win might actually improve their prospects in the '26 midterms.
Would be pretty good campaigning for anyone trying to primary one of those.. vote for me instead of the guy that supported Biden and helped getting Trump elected.
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Old 07-12-2024, 12:25 PM   #15467
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Saying nobody can beat Trump is BS.

Hell even a guy from left field like Jon Stewart would destroy Trump. It’s one of the things I’ve lost respect for with Stewart to a degree. Like okay, we get your schtick but you actually seem reasonably intelligent so why don’t you go fix #### instead of sitting around mocking everything and everyone and watching the country go down the drain.
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Stewart is one of the biggest champions and advocates for first responders post 9/11, even going in from of congress for them. It's not like he sits around doing nothing.
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Stewart very publicly championed funding to assist 9/11 first responders beginning back in 2010 when he was hosting The Daily Show. At the time, Congress did extend funding for ten years but by 2019 Stewart saw Congress dragging their feet to authorize additional financial resources. That is why in 2019, Stewart travelled to Capitol Hill where he shamed members of Congress to their face for their inaction. Finally, in July 2020, Congress agreed to permanently reauthorize the 9/11 Victim Compensation Fund.

In 2022, Stewart again found himself on Capitol Hill and in the media advocating for legislation, this time for military veterans who were in desperate need of medical care after contracting medical ailments from exposure to burn pits during their service. At the time, Stewart slammed GOP Senators who were holding up the proposed legislation that had been championed by President Biden.

After the legislation finally passed, Stewart received a standing ovation at the bill signing where Biden told the comedian, “What you have done, Jon, matters, and you know it does. You should know it really, really matters.” The President added, “You refused to let anybody forget, you refused to let them forget, and we owe you big man, we owe you big.”

And as Stewart correctly flagged, you must “stay on to make sure that result holds” because as we have seen in recent years, progress can be reversed.

What people can’t debate are Stewart’s words about activism. Stewart’s own track record is a testament to that.
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Saying nobody can beat Trump is BS.

Hell even a guy from left field like Jon Stewart would destroy Trump. It’s one of the things I’ve lost respect for with Stewart to a degree. Like okay, we get your schtick but you actually seem reasonably intelligent so why don’t you go fix #### instead of sitting around mocking everything and everyone and watching the country go down the drain.
I think it's because he understands he doesn't have the qualifications to be president, and that's far easier to respect than someone who doesn't, but does it anyway. It's not that he isn't smart, or that the job necessarily requires experience, but that he doesn't posses the skills to do it.
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I think it's because he understands he doesn't have the qualifications to be president, and that's far easier to respect than someone who doesn't, but does it anyway. It's not that he isn't smart, or that the job necessarily requires experience, but that he doesn't posses the skills to do it.
But he will stand idly by and let someone who doesnt have the qualifications or skills do it though? And potentially allow US democracy to be shredded at the same time?
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But he will stand idly by and let someone who doesnt have the qualifications or skills do it though? And potentially allow US democracy to be shredded at the same time?
I know, I get it. That's the problem with having principles.
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Yeah we need the comedian to save the US. He’s pretty selfish not being president if you think about it

What are we talking about here? I get that the line between news and entertainment is blurry but we’re losing respect for a comedian, who is on TV, because he’s not running for office to save the country? Get a grip guys.
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Old 07-12-2024, 01:31 PM   #15474
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Interesting. How so?
$100 billion dollar budget surplus to a $45 billion dollar deficit in two years. Puts the Liberals to shame.

Getting close to losing a million residents since 2021.

Hundreds of companies leaving the state since 2005.

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Old 07-12-2024, 01:38 PM   #15475
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I think he got fed up with "Tortoise time"

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$100 billion dollar budget surplus to a $45 billion dollar deficit in two years. Puts the Liberals to shame.

Getting close to losing a million residents since 2021.

Hundreds of companies leaving the state since 2005.
Ahh the California policy Center, sounds like a good academic Center with a non biased approach to understanding public policy and presenting facts.

Or a conservative and libertarian think tank that has been linked to anti lgbtq policies, anti union, and other fun things.

To be clear I’m not arguing everything is grand in California, I’m just pointing out the source you are using is highly biased to a single view point for political gain.
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Old 07-12-2024, 01:56 PM   #15477
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Ahh the California policy Center, sounds like a good academic Center with a non biased approach to understanding public policy and presenting facts.

Or a conservative and libertarian think tank that has been linked to anti lgbtq policies, anti union, and other fun things.

To be clear I’m not arguing everything is grand in California, I’m just pointing out the source you are using is highly biased to a single view point for political gain.
Great. Now he’s going to like that source even more.
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I mean Trump is also in cognitive decline, but he's, you know, psychopathic. It's that we've kind of just accepted that with him, so if he came out tomorrow and said he wanted to kill all immigrants we'd all just shrug it off as "Yeah, that's Trump for you". Any other candidate ever and that'd be instant disqualification, but with Trump it'd be nothing.
We all know Trump is a disaster. Even his base knows he can't speak to issues, but they see that as a plus, because he is just like them, not an elitist (despite being a media platform owning Billionaire). Attacks on Trump are a drop of water into an ocean. It doesn't make a difference. People want to vote for Biden because he was seen as Presidential and competent. Now he isn't, so of course that's a story. Trump is exactly what he was 8 years ago. He had a scandal almost every day of his Presidency that was big enough to take down any other President. It's a feature, not a bug for his base. Everything is fake news and a witchhunt. One of the brilliant things Trump did for himself is weaponize those phases for his base so anything is seen as a political attack.
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Biden, should he decide to step aside, should take Trump up on this first. Make sure it's a test both will fail, then Biden step aside and then it's more ammo when Trump doesn't.

I need a more fun fantasy world, this sucks.

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Regarding Jon Stewart, I disagree with him on some things and agree on others. I think he balances out to be a net positive person with his deeds, and he is also intelligent and funny (most of the time). But presidential? I don't think he would reel himself in enough and he has said some things about certain groups of people that would be offensive enough to prevent a large number of people from ever supporting him, even if it was just for comedy. Even if those people deserve to be offended and called out, it's hard to ever walk back from that. Like when Hillary Clinton called Trump supporter "deplorables". Right away, you are never going to sway any of them after that. Granted, a lot of them would never vote against the Republicans anyway, but there were a lot of people in the middle leaning towards Trump who were pushed further with that comment. Stewart has a warehouse full of past comments like that.

If the Dems are going to win and have a peaceful result, they can't fall into the mean spiritedness of the process. It might work for Trump, but that doesn't it would work for them. In fact, I think it would have the opposite effect.

I think Stewart is a person that can do more good as a civilian than political leader.
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