2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[dammage79]

I believe Markstrom will still be traded, I just have lowered expectations on the value of the return. I suspect Conroy is gonna want to move his full cap hit so I'm guessing a prospect and a 2nd? Maybe a 3rd.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That’s a whole different discussion. I don’t know any poster who didn’t think moving Markstrom for a good price would not be OK. The whole discussion was value, not moving or not moving.

Yup. However, the posters who wanted to move him at any price, just to make the team worse, were a small minority.

So really the argument was ‘need to get rid of him no matter what’ vs. ‘need to get a good value back for him’. Some of the ‘get rid of him’ camp, however, did not seem to understand the other side's position at all.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Goalies are a bit different. If you haven't got a decent starting goalie, you can't just wait till the deadline to add one. By that time, your season is already lost.

The Devils could have had Markstrom in time to save their season, but they dithered and dithered and farted around, and by deadline day they were out of the race. The smart move would have been to acquire a goalie as soon as they knew they needed one.

Yep. I was frustrated that Markstrom wasn't moved at the deadline but my frustration lies with New Jersey, not Conroy. What an inept attempt to shore up their goaltending when it was critical to making the playoffs.

They literally ran out their own clock on getting Markstrom in there to start winning games.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I believe Markstrom will still be traded, I just have lowered expectations on the value of the return. I suspect Conroy is gonna want to move his full cap hit so I'm guessing a prospect and a 2nd? Maybe a 3rd.

Yep, I have a feeling the return will be a stinger for those who had visions of Mercer plus plus dancing in their heads. Myself included.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Utah for certain, as the new owners have money to spend and the old one couldn't even pay his bills.

This is going to be very interesting to watch. What a team for a rich owner to get. A couple of decent young players, tons of picks and a whole bunch of cap space (too bad they have 30M on LTIR for a few years yet).
How drastically is Armstrongs mandate changing, going from one situation to the other.
Just as an example, their entire defence is a 7M cap hit right now

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yep. I was frustrated that Markstrom wasn't moved at the deadline but my frustration lies with New Jersey, not Conroy. What an inept attempt to shore up their goaltending when it was critical to making the playoffs.

They literally ran out their own clock on getting Markstrom in there to start winning games.

Well, there seems to be the value of retention that was the issue more so than New Jersey, IMO.

NJ wanted Markstrom bad. They're believed to have made at least one significant offer. The Flames reportedly had issues between senior management and Conroy on what the value of retention was.

I think that misalignment on the Flames side is going to end up costing them significant assets in the end on this potential trade.

[Jay Random]

Reports were that Jersey made an offer for Markstrom with retention, which was turned down because the offer was not good enough for the amount of money retained.

Then Jersey made another offer without retention, which was turned down because it wasn't good enough for the player.

According to the same reports, both offers included Holtz, a guy the Devils have publicly trashed and seem eager to get rid of, who happens to play at the one position where the Flames don't need any help. Conroy already has middle-six wingers out the wazoo.

I'm not at all surprised that no deal was made, and I don't blame the Flames' side for it.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Reports were that Jersey made an offer for Markstrom with retention, which was turned down because the offer was not good enough for the amount of money retained.

Then Jersey made another offer without retention, which was turned down because it wasn't good enough for the player.

According to the same reports, both offers included Holtz, a guy the Devils have publicly trashed and seem eager to get rid of, who happens to play at the one position where the Flames don't need any help. Conroy already has middle-six wingers out the wazoo.

I'm not at all surprised that no deal was made, and I don't blame the Flames' side for it.

The value on the first offer was deemed good enough by Conroy to talk to Markstrom about waiving. So it's Holtz ++, first round pick/prospect(s) are most likely part of that package.

Retention or not, I think that value will be hard to beat in the summer trade market.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

The value on the first offer was deemed good enough by Conroy to talk to Markstrom about waiving.

The report was that he was not formally asked to waive, but asked if New Jersey was a team that he would consider waiving for.

In other words, there was no deal ready, but Conroy knew there was no point in discussing a deal any further if Markstrom wasn't willing to move.

[howard_the_duck]

I'm not familiar enough with that report. It seems odd to me that Markstrom was throwing shade at folks above Conroy (i.e. Maloney and ownership) if it was just a speculative conversation.

It suggests to me things were far enough along that Markstrom thought he was moving. And it was more than mismanagement of his expectations, otherwise it'd be Conroy who he was frustrated with.

[Jay Random]

I suspect Markstrom thought he was being asked because a deal was already in place, whereas Conroy asked because he wanted to find out if he should bother getting a deal made.

[PepsiFree]

I still think Markstrom could bring in a good return. NJ is going to be begging, and they are going to compete on offers with more teams than they had to at the tdl.

Watch NJ get left with Allen as their starter for a whole season. LOL. Big brain move.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I still think Markstrom could bring in a good return. NJ is going to be begging, and they are going to compete on offers with more teams than they had to at the tdl.

Watch NJ get left with Allen as their starter for a whole season. LOL. Big brain move.

If, say, the Islanders upset the Hurricanes, NJ will think they could have been there but for not doing the trade. After a little 4 game run, Allen has been terrible. Kahkonen has alternated good and terrible games. They still need a goalie.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Reports were that Jersey made an offer for Markstrom with retention, which was turned down because the offer was not good enough for the amount of money retained.

Then Jersey made another offer without retention, which was turned down because it wasn't good enough for the player.

According to the same reports, both offers included Holtz, a guy the Devils have publicly trashed and seem eager to get rid of, who happens to play at the one position where the Flames don't need any help. Conroy already has middle-six wingers out the wazoo.

I'm not at all surprised that no deal was made, and I don't blame the Flames' side for it.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I agree with McLennan's take on this that he had sometime around the trade deadline: "There will be teams during this year's playoffs that will lose because of goaltending."


There will be a market for Markstrom. There are a few teams that have bad to questionable goaltending right now. Some of these teams might get exposed in the playoffs shortly, and some teams are out of the playoffs and needing a good goalie to have a chance at playoffs next season. I am sure Conroy will be able to get a decent deal done.

[Toonage]

I mean, the guy was ready to pack his bags and head to New Jersey. He'll go anywhere.

[Robbob]

Wasn't it reported that they had most of the framework of the deal and then Fitz tried to change it at the last minute knowing that Markstrom was apporached.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I agree with McLennan's take on this that he had sometime around the trade deadline: "There will be teams during this year's playoffs that will lose because of goaltending."


There will be a market for Markstrom. There are a few teams that have bad to questionable goaltending right now. Some of these teams might get exposed in the playoffs shortly, and some teams are out of the playoffs and needing a good goalie to have a chance at playoffs next season. I am sure Conroy will be able to get a decent deal done.

There are teams every year that lose because of poor goaltending, even those who have a good goaltender.

There will be a market for Marky for sure, even though his year, as a whole, hasn’t been that great.

Much like there will be a market for Saros and Ullmark.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Markstrom is getting older and wants to win now, that isn't in the cards here. He absolutely is a pro but he also wants an opportunity to take a team far and nobody should blame him one bit if he decides to leave which I am about 95% sure is going to happen.

Isn't there several veteran guys in this position though? This statement could apply to Backlund, Coleman, Kadri etc.

The Flames have enough of vets they need to keep happy, that I'm not sure they won't try to sell them the dream of trying to compete next season.

Will they accommodate all of the vets that feel that way?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Isn't there several veteran guys in this position though? This statement could apply to Backlund, Coleman, Kadri etc.

The Flames have enough of vets they need to keep happy, that I'm not sure they won't try to sell them the dream of trying to compete next season.

Will they accommodate all of the vets that feel that way?

Markstrom will be the best goalie available, and, with retention, at a great cap hit.