[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by traptor

Mark and lindy seem very close. Could be a reason why lindholm decides to stay.

He seems like a low key guy, Quiet in the media and lots of pictures outside fishing and hiking.
Doesn't strike me as anew york or Miami type.

He also has never had a huge contract. That makes the risk of going elsewhere or waiting that much higher.

I think he ends up signing by the end of summer.

They are best friends I believe.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Nice of you to plop your credentials of having no idea how to evaluate a player on the table.

Didn't realize we had a pro scout on the board. Maybe you can enlighten me. But typically, you like offense out of a puck moving defenceman. So, while that is not the only aspect of his game, it is a part of it, and if his offensive numbers are average, sorry, I don't consider that underpaid. But as I already said, I expect him to have a better year next year.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Weegar had 4 goals and 31 pts so not sure he is underpaid. His contract is definitely less worrisome but he's just starting year 1 of 8. That's a long time. I think he should have a better year next year but predicting an 8 year deal is tough.

If Lindholm can maintain 2C then he is probably earning his contract. But again year 1 of 8 would be next year.

Kadri contract takes him to 40.

Huberdeau I really don't know what to expect. Next year will be big for him. But again year 1 of 8.

To me that's quite a bit of risk and hopeful thinking that these all age decently. That core isn't that strong. You're likely not expecting them to get better and more than likely will regress. Best case scenario seems like a first round exit for a few years.

Kadri’s contract really isn’t a problem at all. 7 million is only 8.3% of the total cap and that number will fall dramatically over the next 2-3 seasons.

Also, it doesn’t take him to 40. It takes him to 38. Additionally the contract is structured so that a buyout of the last two seasons is totally manageable.

It’s a 7 million dollar cap hit for his age 32-36 year old seasons and then 4 seasons of 2.3 million of dead money.

Not ideal, but won’t prevent the Flames from anything as long as they plan for it.

I think Weegar should age gracefully, but Huberdeau’s contract will be a killer. Here’s hoping his next few years are awesome.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Didn't realize we had a pro scout on the board. Maybe you can enlighten me. But typically, you like offense out of a puck moving defenceman. So, while that is not the only aspect of his game, it is a part of it, and if his offensive numbers are average, sorry, I don't consider that underpaid. But as I already said, I expect him to have a better year next year.

He's not really an offensive guy by definition though.

His strong point is shot and chance suppression. Top 5-10 in the league in the last few years in xGA.

Bad things just don't tend to happen when he's on the ice, and that's why he's valued.

Will that diminish? For sure ... but he's not an offensive defenseman that is only worth his production.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Kadri is the killer for me on Lindholm. Magically trading away Kadri and re-signing Lindholm would be ideal but that isn't happening.

I always bang this drum, but you just structure these deals so you can do a less painful buyout at the end.

I'd count Kadri's contract remaining as either a 3 year, 21 million or 4 year, 28 million. The last few years don't matter.

If you do the next 3 years:
23-24 - $7m
24-25 - $7m
25-26 - $7m

Buyout at 35
26-27 - $3.2m
27-28 - $2.2m
28-29 - $2.2m
29-30 - $2.2m
30-31 - $2.2m
31-32 - $2.2.m

If you keep him for 4 years - you end up with $2.3m for 4 years.

$2.2 million is the cost of Dan Vladar. By the time 2026 or 2027 comes around - it will be the cost of some guy like Mattias Janmark or Ryan Reaves type guy.

[Hackey]

When you're talking about buyout strategies, hoping the cap goes up so the contracts don't age so poorly, hoping and praying your players age decently into their mid and late 30s, you should see clearly this is a very poor way to build a competitive team.

[Jason14h]

Assuming the owners are cool writing a 15$m check - just because

[InternationalVillager]

Lol Kadri is not getting bought out. This board is insufferable sometimes.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I always bang this drum, but you just structure these deals so you can do a less painful buyout at the end.

I'd count Kadri's contract remaining as either a 3 year, 21 million or 4 year, 28 million. The last few years don't matter.

If you do the next 3 years:
23-24 - $7m
24-25 - $7m
25-26 - $7m

Buyout at 35
26-27 - $3.2m
27-28 - $2.2m
28-29 - $2.2m
29-30 - $2.2m
30-31 - $2.2m
31-32 - $2.2.m

If you keep him for 4 years - you end up with $2.3m for 4 years.

$2.2 million is the cost of Dan Vladar. By the time 2026 or 2027 comes around - it will be the cost of some guy like Mattias Janmark or Ryan Reaves type guy.

Why buyout when you can retain roughly 1-2 million and get back value.

Kadri at 5 to 5.5 million certainly has value.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Hackey

When you're talking about buyout strategies, hoping the cap goes up so the contracts don't age so poorly, hoping and praying your players age decently into their mid and late 30s, you should see clearly this is a very poor way to build a competitive team.

not really, every single team has contracts like this

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Hackey

To me that's quite a bit of risk and hopeful thinking that these all age decently. That core isn't that strong. You're likely not expecting them to get better and more than likely will regress. Best case scenario seems like a first round exit for a few years.

It is important to point out that this is you promoting your opinion like it is a foregone conclusion. On the contrary, I would say that the core might actually be quite strong, relatively deep, and that the best case scenario is a Stanley Cup.

The thing is, we really, really just don't know yet.



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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Hackey

When you're talking about buyout strategies, hoping the cap goes up so the contracts don't age so poorly, hoping and praying your players age decently into their mid and late 30s, you should see clearly this is a very poor way to build a competitive team.

It is not a "very poor way to build a team." It is building the team to be as competitive as possible in the short term, which will require expenditures in the long term. It is actually the most natural course of action, given the average age and trajectory of the current core. The team is just not primed for a rebuild, and likely won't be for another four or five years. That is just part of the cycle of sports.

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[Bonded]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Lol Kadri is not getting bought out. This board is insufferable sometimes.

I don’t think it’s crazy in the 5th year of his deal

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

They are best friends I believe.

If memory serves, Lindholm, Markstrom and Jarnkrok frequently hang out together in the off season.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Hackey

When you're talking about buyout strategies, hoping the cap goes up so the contracts don't age so poorly, hoping and praying your players age decently into their mid and late 30s, you should see clearly this is a very poor way to build a competitive team.

Well, the cap WILL go up, and the players will/should play well into their mid-thirties, to varying degrees.

Regarding buyouts, that is the worst case scenario. It is more than reasonable to assume we get more than 4 years out of these players before having to buy them out. As the numbers showed, even if it turns out to be 4 years, the buyouts aren't terrible. But I would assume/expect more like 6or 7 years, on average, before buyouts start coming into play.

It's the cost of keeping good players in a less desirable city. It is not optimal. But neither is perpetually having all your talent leave for greener pastures.

It's okay having some expensive contracts, if you're good at complementing them with younger (cheaper) talent as well.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I wouldnt trust Markstrom to hold a Baby....he might drop it behind him.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Lol Kadri is not getting bought out. This board is insufferable sometimes.

Not right now.

But it's easily something that could happen in 3 or 4 years.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hackey

When you're talking about buyout strategies, hoping the cap goes up so the contracts don't age so poorly, hoping and praying your players age decently into their mid and late 30s, you should see clearly this is a very poor way to build a competitive team.

Does it matter though? I think it has become pretty apparent nothing the organization can do will make you happy.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It is not a "very poor way to build a team." It is building the team to be as competitive as possible in the short term, which will require expenditures in the long term. It is actually the most natural course of action, given the average age and trajectory of the current core. The team is just not primed for a rebuild, and likely won't be for another four or five years. That is just part of the cycle of sports.

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I don't understand how rebuild advocates don't see this...signing Lindholm is in fact more likely to lead to a full rebuild than not...we just have to wait a few more years.

The best case scenario of a more aggressive re-tool now actually working out (which is unlikely) would just mean the Huby and Kadri contracts actually come back to bite us when we're trying to be good. It's a recipe for perpetual mediocrity.

[mile]

Don’t buy Kadri out until he gets Makar to sign here…

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