[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

still blows my mind how childish Sutter has been through all of this and still maintains the high respect of ownership

It makes me physically uncomfortable to think about how hard it would be to manage Sutter as a direct report


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[TOfan]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

This reporting by Seravalli makes sense.

It’s sad. Somebody mentioned penny wise and pound foolish

That’s where we are at. The Flames aren’t going to pay Sutter not to coach.
Instead we see a significant underachievement and far too many good people want out

Two franchise players last year, Tre now, and reportedly Backs and Lindholm

At least Huberdeau is locked up and will outlast the guy

Darkest times

How the tides have turned.

Who could have ever foreseen that perhaps that incompetent idiot Brad Treliving didn’t have full autonomy after witnessing 20 years of similar behaviour from the organization regardless of who the GM was? So strange.

[2ArmBands]

When Darryl got hired I believe the general consensus around here was that people were excited. I know a lot of people didn't like it but they were outweighed by those that did.

I really think we are coming off a season that is a true anomaly. You look at some of the stat lines and ALL TIME NHL "Bad Luck" Records that were broken by this team and I can't help but wonder if that season was just a one off. You can have bad days, bad games etc etc.... whos to say out of 40+ seasons you can't have one that is just a disaster? Sure felt like it like this season.

I know I am in the minority but if we can keep the important pieces of this team somewhat together and get even average goaltending this team is very very good next year.

[Hack&Lube]

Given that this year was all about throwing everything to wall and seeing what sticks...why did this organization have Gaudreau and Tkachuk for like 7 years and not put them on the top line with Lindholm until the very end? Those are also GM/Coach failures from the years.

[bluejays]

Sutter isn't changing. If the team doesn't get rid of him over the next few days it'll be a huge mistake (rebuilding or not). He is who he is and he coaches in an old system. He has one oversimplified job - get the best from his players. But his system simply won't allow it. From a personality perspective he's not a right fit and if he somehow bs's his way to keeping his job in his interview this week, it'll be a big mistake going forward. He won't make it half way through the season and when he finally gets the axe, the team will play it off as business speak. The time is now.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

When Darryl got hired I believe the general consensus around here was that people were excited. I know a lot of people didn't like it but they were outweighed by those that did.

I really think we are coming off a season that is a true anomaly. You look at some of the stat lines and ALL TIME NHL "Bad Luck" Records that were broken by this team and I can't help but wonder if that season was just a one off. You can have bad days, bad games etc etc.... whos to say out of 40+ seasons you can't have one that is just a disaster? Sure felt like it like this season.

I know I am in the minority but if we can keep the important pieces of this team somewhat together and get even average goaltending this team is very very good next year.

I think hiring Sutter with the team we had was a good move as evidenced by last season. The roster turnover and goaltending is what killed the team this season. The player dissatisfaction with the coach is at the forefront because the team underachieved. A winning team would suck it up. Sutter probably isn't a good fit anymore, but i think it has more to do with the make up of the line-up now more than Sutter.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Igottago

If the organization is truly going all in with Sutter, just go full Sutter. Get him a GM that will work with him and let the Sutter philosophy reign supreme. We know Sutter's main goal -- to win a cup. Maybe it'll work.

This is kind of where I am. The team is talented on paper. You have a hall of fame coach. They might have to blow the team up next off-season. Just give Sutter what he wants without trading away picks/prospects and give him full reigns.

As good a GM as Tre was, Sutter took a team out of the wilderness and put together 3 sold iterations of cup contending teams: 03-04 (it was in), 05-06 (one game away from a second up run), and 08-09 (decimated by injuries).

If he knows what he needs, just give it to him.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Igottago

If the organization is truly going all in with Sutter, just go full Sutter. Get him a GM that will work with him and let the Sutter philosophy reign supreme. We know Sutter's main goal -- to win a cup. Maybe it'll work.

Sutter had what he wanted did he not? Big plugs that played higher in the lineup than they should for more minutes than they should. I'd say this past season was full Sutter and got us to where we are today. Poor lines and line management. Poor goaltending choices. Creating a room full of unhappy players.

How could he be more Sutter?

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by chedder

Sutter had what he wanted did he not? Big plugs that played higher in the lineup than they should for more minutes than they should. I'd say this past season was full Sutter and got us to where we are today. Poor lines and line management. Poor goaltending choices. Creating a room full of unhappy players.

How could he be more Sutter?

He made not so subtle comments all year long about the construction of the team so I don't think he sees it that way. I think Treliving brought in some of the Sutter type guys to try to help the situation, but I don't think this team has Sutter's full stamp on it as constructed. He always talked about the star players needing to step up and make the big play, maybe he thinks he doesn't have the right ones.

Again...not defending Sutter or his approach. All I'm saying is, if the organization has truly chosen the Sutter path, it only makes sense to fully embrace it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

When Darryl got hired I believe the general consensus around here was that people were excited. I know a lot of people didn't like it but they were outweighed by those that did.

I really think we are coming off a season that is a true anomaly. You look at some of the stat lines and ALL TIME NHL "Bad Luck" Records that were broken by this team and I can't help but wonder if that season was just a one off. You can have bad days, bad games etc etc.... whos to say out of 40+ seasons you can't have one that is just a disaster? Sure felt like it like this season.

I know I am in the minority but if we can keep the important pieces of this team somewhat together and get even average goaltending this team is very very good next year.

They tried to play the luck narrative until the stats came out showing it wasn't luck but just a bunch of bad shots on net. 27th in high danger chances isn't bad luck.

Yes the goaltending was bad but blaming Markstrom alone isn't fair. 3 teams in the our division had just as bad goaltending and are in the playoffs.

Even a look back at Sutters coaching history shows its wasn't a one off season it's all shots are the same with him.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Igottago

He made not so subtle comments all year long about the construction of the team so I don't think he sees it that way. I think Treliving brought in some of the Sutter type guys to try to help the situation, but I don't think this team has Sutter's full stamp on it as constructed. He always talked about the star players needing to step up and make the big play, maybe he thinks he doesn't have the right ones.



Again...not defending Sutter or his approach. All I'm saying is, if the organization has truly chosen the Sutter path, it only makes sense to fully embrace it.

I don't think you construct a team for any one coach. Coaches rarely last long enough. If a Sutter team is wanted then you make him the GM.

And that prospect scares the hell out of me and would most likely mark my end of being a Flames fan.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

still blows my mind how childish Sutter has been through all of this and still maintains the high respect of ownership

How was he childish? Seemed like most of the time he was being honest to me.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

They tried to play the luck narrative until the stats came out showing it wasn't luck but just a bunch of bad shots on net. 27th in high danger chances isn't bad luck.

Yes the goaltending was bad but blaming Markstrom alone isn't fair. 3 teams in the our division had just as bad goaltending and are in the playoffs.

Even a look back at Sutters coaching history shows its wasn't a one off season it's all shots are the same with him.

It was a group effort to accomplish what the Flames did this season.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Goriders

How was he childish? Seemed like most of the time he was being honest to me.

I don't know, what number was he wearing?

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by chedder

I don't think you construct a team for any one coach. Coaches rarely last long enough. If a Sutter team is wanted then you make him the GM.

And that prospect scares the hell out of me and would most likely mark my end of being a Flames fan.

It's one thing to communicate with your coach about bringing in players that you both feel would fit well with your team. It's another to completely bend to the will of your coach and meet their every demand

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Igottago

He made not so subtle comments all year long about the construction of the team so I don't think he sees it that way. I think Treliving brought in some of the Sutter type guys to try to help the situation, but I don't think this team has Sutter's full stamp on it as constructed. He always talked about the star players needing to step up and make the big play, maybe he thinks he doesn't have the right ones.

Again...not defending Sutter or his approach. All I'm saying is, if the organization has truly chosen the Sutter path, it only makes sense to fully embrace it.

And where/how are we going to get these star players that Sutter loves and play well under him?

We had 2 of them and they left.
The third piece of that line appears to want out too.

We lost our 2 superstar wingers and are about to lose our top center.

The guys we brought in to replace them apparently don't like him either and don't play well for him.

[OldDutch]

I am not sure letting the inmates run the asylum is right way to go either.

We all remember the team tuning out Hartley cause he was a jerk, the getting glue gun cause he was nice, then laughing at him when he threw his stick, which got is Peters who was a jerk, then they were tuning him out and we go Ward, who was nice again, but they didn’t like him, so they got Sutter who…

Round it goes. I am sure Murray has seen this in the corporate world enough times. You can’t just get a new boss each time they angers you or you end up a mess.

Honestly time for the players to suck it up. Tre did the right thing walking. He owns part of the mess as well with these coaching hires.

[FlamesAddiction]

So, who were the players brought in for Sutter?

Lewis (likely) - Was decent in a 4th line role. Probably time to move on.
Brett Ritchie (likely) - Was also decent in a 4th line role.
Zadorov (likely) - He has been great for what he is.
Toffoli (likely) - Has been great, just had a career year
Nick Ritchie (likely) - Ok, meh on this one.
Richardson (likely) - Depth d-man who was pretty inconsequential.

Stecher (maybe) - Was really good in his role.

Rooney (probably not) - He was a bust, but Rooney did say when he was signed that the Flames tried to sign him when he was a free agent from NJ before Sutter was around, so he likely wasn't brought in just for Sutter.

I might be missing a few spare part types that didn't factor in much, but for the most part, the "Sutter" types that were brought in did pretty good.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

So, who were the players brought in for Sutter?

Lewis (likely) - Was decent in a 4th line role. Probably time to move on.
Brett Ritchie (likely) - Was also decent in a 4th line role.
Zadorov (likely) - He has been great for what he is.
Toffoli (likely) - Has been great, just had a career year
Nick Ritchie (likely) - Ok, meh on this one.
Richardson (likely) - Depth d-man who was pretty inconsequential.

Stecher (maybe) - Was really good in his role.

Rooney (probably not) - He was a bust, but Rooney did say when he was signed that the Flames tried to sign him when he was a free agent from NJ before Sutter was around, so he likely wasn't brought in just for Sutter.

I might be missing a few spare part types that didn't factor in much, but for the most part, the "Sutter" types that were brought in did pretty good.

I would guess he had input on Kadri as well.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

So, who were the players brought in for Sutter?

Lewis (likely) - Was decent in a 4th line role. Probably time to move on.
Brett Ritchie (likely) - Was also decent in a 4th line role.
Zadorov (likely) - He has been great for what he is.
Toffoli (likely) - Has been great, just had a career year
Nick Ritchie (likely) - Ok, meh on this one.
Richardson (likely) - Depth d-man who was pretty inconsequential.

Stecher (maybe) - Was really good in his role.

Rooney (probably not) - He was a bust, but Rooney did say when he was signed that the Flames tried to sign him when he was a free agent from NJ before Sutter was around, so he likely wasn't brought in just for Sutter.

I might be missing a few spare part types that didn't factor in much, but for the most part, the "Sutter" types that were brought in did pretty good.

And aside from Toffoli, were not played up the lineup. Well, sometimes the Ritchies did but usually when there was an injury.