[Signing] Flames sign Kadri (7 years, $7m AAV)

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Ownership sets the mandate to compete but make no mistake Treliving is the one identifying players to acquire.

Ultimately, yes.

I do think though that when these judgments are made, especially ones of this magnitude, there’s usually a number of people involved. Conroy did say Treliving would at times make decisions on his own but I also find it hard to believe that he did this all the time. Otherwise, why would his support staff stick around? If they did nothing other than nod their head ‘yes’ at every decision and collect paycheque’s then I’d say our current hockey ops department isn’t looking very promising.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Ultimately, yes.

I do think though that when these judgments are made, especially ones of this magnitude, there’s usually a number of people involved. Conroy did say Treliving would at times make decisions on his own but I also find it hard to believe that he did this all the time. Otherwise, why would his support staff stick around? If they did nothing other than nod their head ‘yes’ at every decision and collect paycheque’s then I’d say our current hockey ops department isn’t looking very promising.

I’ve worked at places like that. Have to have people in place in case the guy quits or gets hit by a bus and you can still gain good experience even if your boss doesn’t listen to you. For all we know Conroy told him that he didn’t think it was a good idea and Tre said don’t care.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Nah, Tre made that signing because he thought Kadri was good. Murray didn’t force Feaster or Autter to sign crappy UFA contracts. Maybe that pick is why Conroy is hesitant to rebuild. Can you imagine the ####storm there would be if he sells everything and Montreal ends up with a top 5 pick. No way it isn’t on his mind.

But you can not rebuild and still not hire Huska and re-sign Backlund while in talks to re-sign Lindholm and Hanifin.

Also Edwards didn’t have to force Feaster to sign bad FAs he did that all in his own, but if I remember correctly Feaster mentioned something about not being allowed a full rebuild.

Anyways if you want to live in denial about this team not be willing to rebuild go ahead. The signs are clearly there whether you chose to ignore them or not.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You probably think McDrai play a decent defensive game too though

McDavid is mid. Drai is definitely lower tier. I don't have a problem calling a spade a spade.

My opinion wasn't based on Flames hate, it was heavily backed up by the numbers, and they generally paint a pretty decent picture of what is happening on the ice.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Can we do the iggy rebuild again at least where we traded two valuable roster players for 1sts?

Whatever it was on the spectrum of rebuilds and retools, it was greenlit.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Spurs

But you can not rebuild and still not hire Huska and re-sign Backlund while in talks to re-sign Lindholm and Hanifin.

Also Edwards didn’t have to force Feaster to sign bad FAs he did that all in his own, but if I remember correctly Feaster mentioned something about not being allowed a full rebuild.

Anyways if you want to live in denial about this team not be willing to rebuild go ahead. The signs are clearly there whether you chose to ignore them or not.

I think the mandate is to win now but that doesn’t mean Treliving was forced to trade for Hamonic and overpay mid tier players. There’s a balance even in a win now mandate between flexibility and filling cap space.
Monahan- Bennett- Tkachuk was a rebuild. They just couldn’t outcompete Edmonton when it came to sucking. Rebuilds require a lot of luck and Flames don’t help themselves by waiting till it is too late to get good assets back.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Can we do the iggy rebuild again at least where we traded two valuable roster players for 1sts?

Whatever it was on the spectrum of rebuilds and retools, it was greenlit.

Exactly. Murray’s preference is to go for it but he will throw in the towel when there is no hope.

[FanIn80]

Ps. Kadri this season is closer to the one that played in Colorado than the one that played here last season.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I think the mandate is to win now but that doesn’t mean Treliving was forced to trade for Hamonic and overpay mid tier players. There’s a balance even in a win now mandate between flexibility and filling cap space.
Monahan- Bennett- Tkachuk was a rebuild. They just couldn’t outcompete Edmonton when it came to sucking. Rebuilds require a lot of luck and Flames don’t help themselves by waiting till it is too late to get good assets back.

I don't think it was a chosen rebuild it was forced and based on Feasters comments and the teams actions there was a lot of push back against making moves earlier when we could have got much better returns than we could.

The reason they wait too late is because the ownership forces them to, that isn't bad luck that is terrible management from the top.

I have already said that Treliving doesn't get a pass for making bad decisions within the parameters that he was given, but I also see zero reason to think that if it were a different GM in place there was much reason to think things would have been any better, it would have been different low value moves to try and meet the requirement of making the play-offs because the reality is the kind of moves required to do that are always going to be low value.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Exactly. Murray’s preference is to go for it but he will throw in the towel when there is no hope.

When have we seen any evidence of this?

We have seen the opposite in fact including right now.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Spurs

When have we seen any evidence of this?

We have seen the opposite in fact including right now.

End of the Iggy era. They also traded Bouwmeester.

“I don’t want to use the word ‘rebuild,’ ” said Flames GM Jay Feaster in a Calgary Sun report. “We want to bring some more young players into this organization. There’s a gap from the 18- and 19-year-olds to the 27-, 28-, 29-year-olds”. A rebuild by another name

Feaster got canned in 2013 and then Frolik was the first major UFA signing years after Wideman

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Spurs

When have we seen any evidence of this?

We have seen the opposite in fact including right now.

When they traded Iginla and Reg. When they traded Glencross and Hudler.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bonded

End of the Iggy era. They also traded Bouwmeester.

“I don’t want to use the word ‘rebuild,’ ” said Flames GM Jay Feaster in a Calgary Sun report. “We want to bring some more young players into this organization. There’s a gap from the 18- and 19-year-olds to the 27-, 28-, 29-year-olds”. A rebuild by another name

Feaster got canned in 2013 and then Frolik was the first major UFA signing years after Wideman

They traded Iggy at the last possible moment, held on to him trying to squeeze into the play-offs one last time.

That is an example of how they are unwilling to rebuild.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Spurs

They traded Iggy at the last possible moment, held on to him trying to squeeze into the play-offs one last time.

That is an example of how they are unwilling to rebuild.

But they did it and then initiated a rebuild. They could have overpaid Iginla and Bouwmeester instead I’m not saying they will be proactive about going into a rebuild but if Murray was truly a hard no then they would have kept the circus going with Iginla/Bouwmeester/UFAs

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bonded

But they did it and then initiated a rebuild. They could have overpaid Iginla and Bouwmeester instead I’m not saying they will be proactive about going into a rebuild but if Murray was truly a hard no then they would have kept the circus going with Iginla/Bouwmeester/UFAs

I don't think Iggy was staying even if they wanted to overpay him. They moved him only when they had no choice and he forced the issue. Feaster mentioned wanting to start moving guys earlier but being unable to.

That was an Iggy decision not a Edwards decision.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I don't think Iggy was staying even if they wanted to overpay him. They moved him only when they had no choice and he forced the issue. Feaster mentioned wanting to start moving guys earlier but being unable to.

That was an Iggy decision not a Edwards decision.

So why didn’t they trade futures for players after that point. It was a rebuild whether you want to admit it or not lol

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bonded

So why didn’t they trade futures for players after that point. It was a rebuild whether you want to admit it or not lol

They did trade futures though and cut the rebuild short.

And I didn't say it wasn't a rebuild, although they did their best to try and shorten the time, I said it was forced on them by other factors. They didn't choose to go down that road it was forced on them.

[AustinL_NHL]

Monahan up to 5 points in 5 games to start the season

:')

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Ps. Kadri this season is closer to the one that played in Colorado than the one that played here last season.

In Colorado he had 87 points in 72 which was 100 point pace

Last year he had 56 points and was only -19

He is now on pace for 0 G 14 A and -109

He’s definitely not closer to the 100 point pace player

His play has been dog #### and he has made everyone around him worse

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

In Colorado he had 87 points in 72 which was 100 point pace

Last year he had 56 points and was only -19

He is now on pace for 0 G 14 A and -109

He’s definitely not closer to the 100 point pace player

His play has been dog #### and he has made everyone around him worse

At some point a benching for a game or two should be on the table to send a message or at least let the player see things from a different perspective. The concern would be the response though given the circumstances from last year. Huska has been the nice guy so far but I’m guessing he’s not pleased with what he’s seeing from his top players/vets. Even if you’re not contributing on the scoreboard, you have to do the little things right and be responsible defensively. -4 in Detroit can’t happen when you’re a leader on the team.