[News] Tkachuk notifies Flames he won't sign long term (The Athletic)

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If the team is contending for a playoff position, they won’t trade him at the trade deadline.

Fair enough - that's just luck of having a horrible GM then.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Icon

I wonder how the discussions go to get this done.

Obviously Treliving's talking with other GMs to sort out a deal...

Tkachuk (his agent) is talking with other GMs to sort out a potential contract...

At some point either Treliving has to go to Tkachuk and say "we have a deal ready to send you to X if you'll sign there", or Tkachuk's agent approaches Treliving with "Matt will sign in X if you trade him there".

Problem is to maximize the trade return for the Flames, "X" probably should be at least 2 or 3 teams.

It's fine to say Tkachuk has a list of teams he'd be willing to be traded to, but those teams also have to be willing to sign him, and Tkachuk has to like the contract to sign it.

Maybe Tkachuk says he wants to make $___/yr, and Treliving has to negotiate that contract as part of the trade discussions (the very rare sign & trade)? Not sure if that makes it easier or more difficult...

Interesting. Yeah maybe teams get Tkachuks “starting ask”, and make an assessment?

[bax]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Why? I understand he may not be the main piece Flames fans want for Tkachuk, however, why would he be a disaster?

Tarasenko has 1 more year left at $7.5 MM. He is 30 years old and coming off a 82 point campaign when he scored 34 goals. He also scored 6 goals in 12 playoff games.

Tarasenko has been a consistent 30 goal scorer in the league. Even if he doesn't want to stay in Calgary, he is someone who can easily get a 1st round pick at the deadline.

Take on Tarasenko as a cap dump? Sure no problem, but he can’t be part of the “value” in the trade for the Flames. If anything they should be compensated for taking on his cap and helping the Blues.

Tarasenko has known injury issues. What if he gets hurt before the trade deadline and you can’t move him? Calgary can’t take that risk when trading their most valuable asset IMO.

The Flames aren’t winning anything of consequence next season do Tarasenko’s on ice value is pretty minimal to the team.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I’m really hoping for an NJD deal.

Bratt + Holtz + 1st would be something that I consider to be an absolute home run return now that I’ve looked at Bratt a bit more. Seems like that may just be a “dream” return though…but hey, hope!

I still think this one is the best too. It’s even better if Bratt signs an 7 year extension. THW top 100 prospects has Holtz 7th. He would be hands down our top prospect and he’s NHL ready.

Bratt and Holtz in Gaudreau and Tkachuk out but we save $10+ mil on the cap and the potential is there for both to be first line caliber players

2 firsts next draft and our first likely a top 10. Could be set after 1 trade

[dustygoon]

With so few teams in the mix that Tkatchuk would like and the pressure on us, I just don't see Calgary getting a good offer from them by the time arbitration comes around. As an aside, that arbitration will be nasty if it gets there.

The team is in a spiral anyway. Treliving might as well hold firm (like Sakic and Duchene). If Treliving holds out for a good offer, Tkachuk could be here at training camp and maybe more.

Or maybe reasonable value is still available from teams with which he won't extend. Flip him to the Sharks even. You never know who Grier might let go of as he seems determined to remake the team how he wants.

This could go so many more ways and last longer than I originally thought.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Fair enough - that's just luck of having a horrible GM then.

A horrible GM that runs a team that lost it's two best players but is still contending for a playoff spot?

Head scratcher

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by bax

Take on Tarasenko as a cap dump? Sure no problem, but he can’t be part of the “value” in the trade for the Flames. If anything they should be compensated for taking on his cap and helping the Blues.

Tarasenko has known injury issues. What if he gets hurt before the trade deadline and you can’t move him? Calgary can’t take that risk when trading their most valuable asset IMO.

The Flames aren’t winning anything of consequence next season do Tarasenko’s on ice value is pretty minimal to the team.

Outside of 2 seasons (1 being Covid), he has consistently played over 75 games in 6 our of the last 8 seasons (including this year). Not sure I agree with you.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Bingo

A horrible GM that runs a team that lost it's two best players but is still contending for a playoff spot?

Head scratcher

Are you going to start comparing this post to playing checkers and chess too lol

[bax]

Originally Posted by Bingo

A horrible GM that runs a team that lost it's two best players but is still contending for a playoff spot?

Head scratcher

When you lose your two best players and are in the position the Flames are the goal shouldn’t be to squeak into playoffs. This teams needs a new direction- set by the manager.

A massive overhaul should be the plan and there is no better time to start than the 2023 draft.

I would much rather pick 4-5 times in the top 60 next year then watch the Flames lose in round 1.

[bax]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Outside of 2 seasons (1 being Covid), he has consistently played over 75 games in 6 our of the last 8 seasons (including this year). Not sure I agree with you.

He has had multiple shoulder surgeries. Regardless, anyone can get injured at anytime.

Like I said he’s fine as a cap dump, but can’t be viewed as adding value to a Tkachuk trade.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by bax

He has had multiple shoulder surgeries. Regardless, anyone can get injured at anytime.

Like I said he’s fine as a cap dump, but can’t be viewed as adding value to a Tkachuk trade.

That's fair. I still don't think it will be a disaster if the Flames get him in a trade though. Not as the main piece but I still think he has some value.

[bax]

Originally Posted by keenan87

That's fair. I still don't think it will be a disaster if the Flames get him in a trade though. Not as the main piece but I still think he has some value.

I think we’re on the same page. I’m fine if he’s included in the trade, but to me his value would come exclusively from flipping him for more picks.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Fair enough - that's just luck of having a horrible GM then.

It would be the same approach of any GM coming off of a season where they finished first in the division.

They will see how things go this season before fully committing to a rebuild. If things look bad close to the deadline with no sign of getting better then I would expect guys to start getting moved out.

It's wishful thinking for people to expect them to pack it in just because they lost 2/3 of their top line. Especially when we don't even know who they will get back for Tkachuk.

[All In Good Time]

The bad part of all of this is if Tkachuk is determined to become a UFA as soon as possible.
He can submit a list to the Flames of teams that he will "negotiate" with now.
but
He can simply
- ask for 13M x 7 (or 13M x 8 if its a sign and trade) from all of them, killing any of
the Flames leverage.
- Take whatever the arbitrator rules.
- Leaving the Flames with the only option of dumping him for next to nothing
because everyone else knows he's going to free agency anyway.
I know this is a bit risky but he might see it as a worthwhile risk at this point.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Inferno

It would be the same approach of any GM coming off of a season where they finished first in the division.

They will see how things go this season before fully committing to a rebuild. If things look bad close to the deadline with no sign of getting better then I would expect guys to start getting moved out.

It's wishful thinking for people to expect them to pack it in just because they lost 2/3 of their top line. Especially when we don't even know who they will get back for Tkachuk.

They might be telling existing players they aren't rebuilding for a reason. If the plan is to rip it apart I could see a bunch of players calling Treliving and asking to be traded.

The decision to full rebuild probably happens next summer when they can talk contract with Lindholm. He's the key to avoiding a full rebuild IMO

Hanifin can re-sign next summer too.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

The bad part of all of this is if Tkachuk is determined to become a UFA as soon as possible.
He can submit a list to the Flames of teams that he will "negotiate" with now.
but
He can simply
- ask for 13M x 7 (or 13M x 8 if its a sign and trade) from all of them, killing any of
the Flames leverage.
- Take whatever the arbitrator rules.
- Leaving the Flames with the only option of dumping him for next to nothing
because everyone else knows he's going to free agency anyway.
I know this is a bit risky but he might see it as a worthwhile risk at this point.

Imagine your 2 best players not only leave but try to screw you the worst way possible….

[Sec214]

Flames want 3 Premium Assets for Tkachuk per Ryan Pike. "this pike guy is a Muppet."

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Bingo

A horrible GM that runs a team that lost it's two best players but is still contending for a playoff spot?

Head scratcher

I have mixed feelings on BT so this isn't complaining about him, but losing your 2 best players and going from division winner to competing for a playoff spot probably wouldn't be 2 points I'd argue to defend him.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

They might be telling existing players they aren't rebuilding for a reason. If the plan is to rip it apart I could see a bunch of players calling Treliving and asking to be traded.

The decision to full rebuild probably happens next summer when they can talk contract with Lindholm. He's the key to avoiding a full rebuild IMO

Hanifin can re-sign next summer too.

The Flames should not be waiting until after the best draft in a decade to make this decision.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

The bad part of all of this is if Tkachuk is determined to become a UFA as soon as possible.

Tkachuk wanted to get to UFA as soon as possible so he could sign a long term deal in an American market of his choosing. He's basically there right now. He won't be screwing the Flames over (any more than he already has I suppose) at this point.