Pentagon releases UFO videos

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

You have found this whole topic laughable at best and let the rest of us know every time the thread is bumped, so please don't let me stop you from having a good time indulging in the question as well!

Well, that’s not accurate at all.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Do you think the POTUS would be dumb enough to make an SOTU about this without proof?

Do you believe POTUS would make a SOTU about this?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

If the aliens are hostile because the states took a few of their flying sports cars then I hope they probe the unbelievers first.

I hope they probe them hard, and deep.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

If the aliens are hostile because the states took a few of their flying sports cars then I hope they probe the unbelievers first.

I hope they probe them hard, and deep.

If the Aliens are probing humans, what makes you think you aren't already a victim?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Do you think the POTUS would be dumb enough to make an SOTU about this without proof?

Maybe,

If the Americans had technology that matches the speculated capabilities and no other country is close then if you are China you seize Taiwan now because once the tech is perfected you have lost your opportunity so it would be in the US best interest to lie to prevent war.

And even if you don’t by the war games theory the US might want to lie and say aliens to disguise their technological capability.

The question if done without evidence would be why did the government not release evidence?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Do you believe POTUS would make a SOTU about this?

Yep, if there is sufficient evidence, which is to say he doesn't need to show me the 'aliens' for me to believe it. Such a risky political move, including torpedoing careers, administrations and national credibility on the world stage with possible impeachment scenarios if unproven, and also a duty to tell the truth constitutionally, would be enough to give me confidence without having to show me primary evidence - especially if the details continue to be classified and the the public is not privy due to national security concerns (e.g. revealing details might endanger intelligence about reverse engineering programs that could benefit adversaries like China or Russia with their own programs).

In other words, I wouldn't need to see an alien to believe it, just like I wouldn't need to see microbial life under a microscope to believe living organisms or bacterial cultures on Mars if NASA announced it tomorrow. Faith in the credibility of trusted institutions would be sufficient for me.

I put trust in the integrity of professionals to do their jobs properly. But, alas, that is where we differ.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Do you think the POTUS would be dumb enough to make an SOTU about this without proof?

Would you have accepted the claim if Trump had made it and not Biden? Do you believe everything Trump says because he was the President?

See, I can make stupid arguments too. You're right, this is fun!

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by jammies

Would you have accepted the claim if Trump had made it and not Biden? Do you believe everything Trump says because he was the President?

See, I can make stupid arguments too. You're right, this is fun!

Did Trump make an SOTU about aliens?

You must be losing it.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Yep, if there is sufficient evidence, which is to say he doesn't need to show me the 'aliens' for me to believe it. Such a risky political move, including torpedoing careers, administrations and national credibility on the world stage with possible impeachment scenarios if unproven, and also a duty to tell the truth constitutionally, would be enough to give me confidence without having to show me primary evidence - especially if the details continue to be classified and the the public is not privy due to national security concerns (e.g. revealing details might endanger intelligence about reverse engineering programs that could benefit adversaries like China or Russia with their own programs).

In other words, I wouldn't need to see an alien to believe it, just like I wouldn't need to see microbial life under a microscope to believe living organisms or bacterial cultures on Mars if NASA announced it tomorrow. Faith in the credibility of trusted institutions would be sufficient for me.

I put trust in the integrity of professionals to do their jobs properly. But, alas, that is where we differ.

I would appreciate you not making uninformed and incorrect judgements about me.

Can you not imagine any scenarios where the President might make such a statement, without it being factual?

[Fuzz]

'member that time when a president lied to the world about evidence and started a war to make his buddies rich? I 'member.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I would appreciate you not making uninformed and incorrect judgements about me.

Can you not imagine any scenarios where the President might make such a statement, without it being factual?

Sure. Being extorted or senility. But both are extremely unlikely, and presidents have handlers as much as they do a mouthpiece.

You dont go in front of a worldwide audience on a topic like this and in a position like that without gatekeepers. This is one of those topics that crosses party lines. Is when senators like Gillebrand and Rubio are able to work across party lines on legislation to ensure whistleblower protections and research into the topic.

Economics and policies or one thing, but announcements like NHI are a whole other ballgame with serious ramifications if it turns out untrue.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

'member that time when a president lied to the world about evidence and started a war to make his buddies rich? I 'member.

Funnily enough, back in - what was it, 2002? - I was chastised in the trading room for suggesting that Dubya needed to show proof before going to war. "Do you think the President would lie?" people said to me.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Sure. Being extorted or senility. But both are extremely unlikely, and presidents have handlers as much as they do a mouthpiece.

You dont go in front of a worldwide audience on a topic like this and in a position like that without gatekeepers. This is one of those topics that crosses party lines. Is when senators like Gillebrand and Rubio are able to work across party lines on legislation to ensure whistleblower protections and research into the topic.

Economics and policies or one thing, but announcements like NHI are a whole other ballgame with serious ramifications if it turns out untrue.

So you agree that it's possible, but you don't think that I should? Is that where we're at in your hypothetical little world here?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

So you agree that it's possible, but you don't think that I should? Is that where we're at in your hypothetical little world here?

Extortion and senility as reasons for doing a life SOTU on NHI is a ridiculously low probability scenario, and that's the hill you're going to die on?

Which scenario am I missing here, where a US President would do a worldwide SOTU address as a complete hoax?

For what reason? And how would it ever get to this?

Help fill me in on your little hypothetical world here.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Extortion and senility as reasons for doing a life SOTU on NHI is a ridiculously low probability scenario, and that's the hill you're going to die on?

Which scenario am I missing here, where a US President would do a worldwide SOTU address as a complete hoax?

For what reason? And how would it ever get to this?

Help fill me in on your little hypothetical world here.

Do you have no self awareness? We've all been playing in the sandbox you - and only you - created, for the last couple of dozen posts. I'm done with this silliness.

[Ozy_Flame]

I invite you to stop being flippant about hypotheticals and answer your own - what impossibly unlikely scenario would make a POTUS give a SOTU address about aliens on Earth as a complete hoax?

You put it out there in post #1529. Would love to hear your logic on this one.

[The Fonz]

Did Biden say there are aliens? Is that where you’re trying to get this conversation to?

Otherwise I can’t make sense of it. It’s entirely acceptable for people to not believe in extraordinary truths unless presented with extraordinary proof. A President saying “there are aliens” is not proof, and it does not matter whether or not I can provide a reason for why they’d lie about that. I’d be intrigued if he said it, but it’s not proof.

President’s say “In God We Trust” all the time. That’s not proof of a God, nor does it make me (or you, Ozy, I presume) believe in God.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

'member that time when a president lied to the world about evidence and started a war to make his buddies rich? I 'member.

Must’ve been extorted. Or senile. Or too busy painting.

[Jiggy_12]

I certainly wouldn’t believe something just because a President says it. But, a lot of people would - so a disclosure rollout with Biden would be likely if it indeed goes down.

Him saying something doesn’t make it true. Conversely, him saying something doesn’t not make it true. To me whatever he says is a non factor. But a lot of people would trust it, which is kind of scary.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Did Biden say there are aliens? Is that where you’re trying to get this conversation to?

Otherwise I can’t make sense of it. It’s entirely acceptable for people to not believe in extraordinary truths unless presented with extraordinary proof. A President saying “there are aliens” is not proof, and it does not matter whether or not I can provide a reason for why they’d lie about that. I’d be intrigued if he said it, but it’s not proof.

President’s say “In God We Trust” all the time. That’s not proof of a God, nor does it make me (or you, Ozy, I presume) believe in God.

That's the point. He wouldn't say there was unless there was proof.

But some here would have you believe he'd do it as a hoax or a flat out lie. Folks, there are far more nuanced or plausible things to lie to the public about - economy, jobs, inflation, military spending, immigrants, you name it. And people don't bat an eye because its 'just politics'.

But catastrophic or world-changing news is rarely 'just politics'. If there was a major natural disaster, an exchange of nuclear weapons, or the existence of an NHI or life-after-death, or anything like that, it isn't just stupid rhetoric of a partisan hack spin doctoring their successes. Some things go beyond that, and NHI would assuredly be one of them.

No President - not Biden not Trump, not Bush, not any future president - would make an official announcement on NHI on this planet without there being proof to back that up. So if a president said in an SOTU an NHI exists, I'm going to probably believe them if they had reason to announce something like that.