You said that “I just wanted Neal to fail”...show me where I put it in writing!
Hey, I’m waiting....
Still waiting...
I can see you’re on-line, still waiting...
You've done nothing for six months but bitch about how bad Neal is. The great majority of your posts have been attacks on him, including a number of drive-bys in threads where it was off topic. The body of your work, such as it is, speaks for itself.
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If signing Neal means we get this season, I do it again 10 times out of 10.
That seems like specious reasoning. With or with out Neal, the Flames would be at the top of the Western Conference because of the incredible play from 6 certain individuals.
It’s remarkable to me that a failed free agent signing in Brouwer received so much angst ans disdain here yet an equally if not potentially worse free agent signing in Neal isn’t receiving anywhere close to the same amount.
Just goes to show how winning can mask problems.
But I can pretty much guarantee that if the Flames are unceremoniously booted out of the playoffs and Neal plays exactly the same as he is now, that this place will get as ugly as the Brouwer bashing threads.
Neal’s performing has been awful this season. Utterly dreadful. But his situation isn’t just about his lack of scoring. It has more to do with opportunity cost for me. The top 6 minutes he plays could go towards someone else who would make better use of it. Same deal with his cap hit, that could go towards an even better player that would make a difference for this team. Better players have been getting scratched while he remains relatively unscathed. You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think this conversation is being had with upper management and/or the coaching staff.
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You've done nothing for six months but bitch about how bad Neal is. The great majority of your posts have been attacks on him, including a number of drive-bys in threads where it was off topic. The body of your work, such as it is, speaks for itself.
Show me a drive by in a thread that was off topic.
Also, I’m still waiting for you to show me where I put in writing that I wanted Neal to fail, like you stated I did.
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That seems like specious reasoning. With or with out Neal, the Flames would be at the top of the Western Conference because of the incredible play from 6 certain individuals.
Without Brad Treliving making the deals he did, the team does not have Lindholm or Hanifin. He saw a need to stock up on RW and revamp the defence, and he did both of those things. For the total amount of money he spent and the assets he traded, the total impact on the team has been fantastic. But he had no way of knowing how each individual piece would perform, and neither did anyone else.
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It’s remarkable to me that a failed free agent signing in Brouwer received so much angst ans disdain here yet an equally if not potentially worse free agent signing in Neal isn’t receiving anywhere close to the same amount.
It's been three months, and there has been plenty already. Brouwer was here for two years. Not everybody is CanadaMatt, calling for a guy's head the same day he signs with the team.
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Show me a drive by in a thread that was off topic.
Look at your own post history. You're not that important that I'm going to read all your garbage again. I did once – every post you've made since the day Neal signed – and the vast majority of your posts, regardless of what thread they were in, were complaints about Neal. I am not going through that again.
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Also, I’m still waiting for where I put in writing that I wanted Neal to fail, like you stated I did.
You predicted with great fanfare that he would fail the very day he signed his contract. You have been harping on it ever since. It's obvious that you have a great deal emotionally invested in being right about Neal, because you have more to say about that than every other hockey-related topic combined.
Now give it a rest.
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Look at your own post history. You're not that important that I'm going to read all your garbage again. I did once – every post you've made since the day Neal signed – and the vast majority of your posts, regardless of what thread they were in, were complaints about Neal. I am not going through that again.
You predicted with great fanfare that he would fail the very day he signed his contract. You have been harping on it ever since. It's obvious that you have a great deal emotionally invested in being right about Neal, because you have more to say about that than every other hockey-related topic combined.
Now give it a rest.
Well you’ve made three accusations against me in the last two pages that are false. Donald Trump, is that you?
1. I never said I wanted Neil to fail
2. The posts I’ve made about Neal have been in this thread and any relevant game thread where his play has been noteworthy to that particular game
3. When he signed I simply likened the excitement of posters to the Neal signing as similar to the excitement of posters when Brouwer signed
By why let facts get in the way when you can simply make up fibs in order to discredit another poster
Neal just happens to be the story I’m most interested in, you don’t have to read this thread if you don’t want to...so I won’t give it a rest.
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Show me where in called for his head the same day he signed
Here you are, making sarcastic cracks at Neal the day he was signed, and ridiculing anyone who thought he was any different from Brouwer:
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Go back two years and read the Brouwer thread...it’s exactly the same.
- what we’ve been missing
- term not great
- Add flexibility
- upgrade on existing talent
- are we a contender now?
This time is different though, right?
And don't give me any guff about not having explicitly stated it. Everybody who read that post knew exactly what you meant, and at least one poster called you on it at the time.
You identified Neal as a whipping boy the day he signed his contract, and you have done precious little else but nag on about it ever since. I wish you would dry up.
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Here you are, making sarcastic cracks at Neal the day he was signed, and ridiculing anyone who thought he was any different from Brouwer:
And don't give me any guff about not having explicitly stated it. Everybody who read that post knew exactly what you meant, and at least one poster called you on it at the time.
You identified Neal as a whipping boy the day he signed his contract, and you have done precious little else but nag on about it ever since. I wish you would dry up.
As I just said in my previous post. I likened the excitement of posters to the Neal signing to the excitement of posters to the Brouwer signing.
Now, if that’s your best example of me calling for his head on the day he signed, I suggest you might look a little foolish. I’m happy to end this discussion here if that would help you.
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Well you’ve made three accusations against me in the last two pages that are false.
No, I have not.
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Donald Trump, is that you?
Ah. It appears you're one of those knee-jerk left-wingers who think all they have to do is shout ‘Trump!’ and they have automatically won their argument. Such idiots seem to turn up in every discussion these days – the modern equivalent of Godwin's Law.
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1. I never said I wanted Neil to fail
You said you expected him to fail, and you have posted about virtually nothing else except to point out loudly and repeatedly to everyone on the board exactly where and when he was failing. Either you take great delight in his failure, or you are the biggest masochist on CP.
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2. The posts I’ve made about Neal have been in this thread and any relevant game thread where his play has been noteworthy to that particular game.
False. But as I said before, I am not digging through every piece of crap you've posted for the last six months to point out all the instances. You're not worth it.
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3. When he signed I simply likened the excitement of posters to the Neal signing as similar to the excitement of posters when Brouwer signed
And said, ‘This time is different though, right?’ You obviously expected the Neal signing to turn out exactly like the Brouwer signing, and you have had virtually nothing to say on any other topic since then.
It's pathetic how you try to hide behind the literal meaning of your words when it was blatantly obvious that you were being sarcastic. Everybody got exactly what you meant. Don't pretend that you didn't mean it now.
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By why left facts get in the way when you can simply make up fibs in order to discredit another poster
You don't need me to discredit you. You do it yourself every time you open your yap about your pet obsession.
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Ah. It appears you're one of those knee-jerk left-wingers who think all they have to do is shout ‘Trump!’ and they have automatically won their argument. Such idiots seem to turn up in every discussion these days – the modern equivalent of Godwin's Law.
You said you expected him to fail, and you have posted about virtually nothing else except to point out loudly and repeatedly to everyone on the board exactly where and when he was failing. Either you take great delight in his failure, or you are the biggest masochist on CP.
False. But as I said before, I am not digging through every piece of crap you've posted for the last six months to point out all the instances. You're not worth it.
And said, ‘This time is different though, right?’ You obviously expected the Neal signing to turn out exactly like the Brouwer signing, and you have had virtually nothing to say on any other topic since then.
It's pathetic how you try to hide behind the literal meaning of your words when it was blatantly obvious that you were being sarcastic. Everybody got exactly what you meant. Don't pretend that you didn't mean it now.
You don't need me to discredit you. You do it yourself every time you open your yap about your pet obsession.
I’m still trying to figure out where I put in writing that I wanted Neal to fail...I like how conveniently you changed it to EXPECTED Neal to fail, now. Those are pretty different things now aren’t they! As a season ticket holder it’s difficult to be accused of wanting a player and (by extension) your team, to fail!
Also, I’m trying to figure out where I have posted About Neal in un-related threads? Like you said I did. Update: I’ve reviewed my posts and you’re wrong...but you already knew that, didn’t you?
Also, I’m trying to figure out where I called for his head when he signed
You’re making up stories. You know it , I know it and after reading through this painful exchange, I imagine the majority of the message board knows it.
I simple apology for making up stuff will do, either here or via PM
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Without Brad Treliving making the deals he did, the team does not have Lindholm or Hanifin. He saw a need to stock up on RW and revamp the defence, and he did both of those things. For the total amount of money he spent and the assets he traded, the total impact on the team has been fantastic. But he had no way of knowing how each individual piece would perform, and neither did anyone else.
It's been three months, and there has been plenty already. Brouwer was here for two years. Not everybody is CanadaMatt, calling for a guy's head the same day he signs with the team.
Yes this is called scouting. Every transaction/signing carries some form of risk and you need your pro scouts to mitigate that risk by ensuring that the player will be a good fit here. The Neal signing has been a complete disaster so far, worse than the Brouwer and Raymond signings by a lot IMO, which is saying something because those guys were awful signings.
Full credit for the Lindholm and Hanifin trade as they've worked out great, but if we want to be a Stanley Cup winning team, then the standards have to be set high from the organization and the fanbase. If you look at teams the Flames would have to go through to win it all like the Tampa Bay Lightning or even a Toronto or a Winnipeg and etc, how many mistakes are being made by these teams? Not a whole lot and it would suck to see a contract like Neal or a buyout like Brouwer be part of the reason why the team doesn't end up winning the whole ball of wax.
Man, can't believe how big of a dud Neal has been to this point. So frustrating.
Neal and Smith, two massive dark clouds hovering over what has been a great season for this team to this point.
Fully agree, great expectations of Neal but he looks like a guy that swindled Treliving on a 5 year deal. Not the real deal Neal.
If Neal was being paid 1.5m on 1 year i am sure he would be put on waivers, he looks completely uninterested night after night. Smith looks like father time has caught with him since last February.
Nobody knew Lindholm was going to be this good. Neal fully expected to be getting fed sweet passes to snipe from Johnny instead Lindholm is and doing much more. Neal is not a driver we have to get another creative playmaker in here to force feed him.
Nobody knew Lindholm was going to be this good. Neal fully expected to be getting fed sweet passes to snipe from Johnny instead Lindholm is and doing much more. Neal is not a driver we have to get another creative playmaker in here to force feed him.
I thought the same thing for the first quarter of the season. Then I watched in horror him fumble perfect one timers, lose Puck battles, shoot into the goalies crest and miss wide open nets.
Nah, this guy just isn't good right now, he would be hard pressed to score on the first line. I watched him specifically for three shifts last night and he barely skated. He was gliding around in the offensive zone and not in any hurry to get back in our defensive zone. I watched him during one line change where he loafed it big time to the bench with a player waiting to jump over the boards.
If you watch him specifically you get a sense he really doesn't care and doesn't wanna be here. Maybe he's been on good teams so long he doesn't care about being on a good team. I don't know him at all, he just seems like he doesn't care either way one bit.
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